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Rider has a lot going for it, but I really can't stand the structure of JetBrains subscription. Why can't they just have a single monthly or annual price, rathe

Rider has a lot going for it, but I really can't stand the structure of JetBrains subscription. Why can't they just have a single monthly or annual price, rather than this absurd structure where the price gets cheaper over time, encouraging lock-in?

vunderba 2y ago
Uhhh no. Lock-in seems like hyperbole given that you can migrate over to any other IDE. And, especially given the fact that when you purchase an annual subscription, you were given a perpetual fall back license - meaning you can continue to use that version long after your subscription has lapsed.
collinstevens 2y ago
All Products Pack (12 IDEs, 3 extensions, 2 profilers) first year - $289.00 (+$116) second year - $231.00 (+$58) third year onwards - $173.00 you're locked in because of an extra $116 the first year and $58 the second year? https://www.jetbrains.com/store/?section=personal&billing=yearly https://www.jetbrains.com/store/?section=personal&billing=ye...
- Jtsummers 2y ago
  They may mean that they're locked into continuing the subscription to keep getting updates because if you have a break then you start at the high price again. Whenever you don't renew you get whatever version was out when you last renewed in perpetuity which is great. But if you decide you don't want it this year, but in two years you do, now you're back at the $289 price. Though if you pay $289 every other year you're still coming out ahead compared to an annual subscription so I don't know what the issue is.
wiether 2y ago
They're rewarding recurring customers, this is not a vendor lock-in.
- MattRix 2y ago
  That’s of course the way they would try to frame it positively… but imagine it any of your other subscriptions did the same? Once you’ve been subscribed, it puts a much higher cost on unsubscribing, especially if you aren’t using it but think you might need it again at some point in the future.
  - Jtsummers 2y ago
    If you don't care about the annual updates, the subscription is actually more expensive than just paying for it every other year or less frequently.
curlicue 2y ago
Because you get a lifetime license for the latest version available when you pay, so you're getting less value the second year you pay since you're just paying for updates. You can choose to pay every 3 or 4 years rather than yearly if you don't want to be locked in, but it will come out as a similar cost overall

vunderba 2y ago

Uhhh no. Lock-in seems like hyperbole given that you can migrate over to any other IDE. And, especially given the fact that when you purchase an annual subscription, you were given a perpetual fall back license - meaning you can continue to use that version long after your subscription has lapsed.

collinstevens 2y ago

All Products Pack (12 IDEs, 3 extensions, 2 profilers) first year - $289.00 (+$116) second year - $231.00 (+$58) third year onwards - $173.00 you're locked in because of an extra $116 the first year and $58 the second year? https://www.jetbrains.com/store/?section=personal&billing=yearly https://www.jetbrains.com/store/?section=personal&billing=ye...

Jtsummers 2y ago
They may mean that they're locked into continuing the subscription to keep getting updates because if you have a break then you start at the high price again. Whenever you don't renew you get whatever version was out when you last renewed in perpetuity which is great. But if you decide you don't want it this year, but in two years you do, now you're back at the $289 price. Though if you pay $289 every other year you're still coming out ahead compared to an annual subscription so I don't know what the issue is.

wiether 2y ago

They're rewarding recurring customers, this is not a vendor lock-in.

MattRix 2y ago
That’s of course the way they would try to frame it positively… but imagine it any of your other subscriptions did the same? Once you’ve been subscribed, it puts a much higher cost on unsubscribing, especially if you aren’t using it but think you might need it again at some point in the future.
- Jtsummers 2y ago
  If you don't care about the annual updates, the subscription is actually more expensive than just paying for it every other year or less frequently.

curlicue 2y ago

Because you get a lifetime license for the latest version available when you pay, so you're getting less value the second year you pay since you're just paying for updates. You can choose to pay every 3 or 4 years rather than yearly if you don't want to be locked in, but it will come out as a similar cost overall