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Genuine question ... Why doesn't the EU apply these same rules to video game consoles (Xbox/PlayStation)? They arguably have an even more restrictive environm

Genuine question ... Why doesn't the EU apply these same rules to video game consoles (Xbox/PlayStation)? They arguably have an even more restrictive environment than iOS.

yunohn 2y ago
Huh? They play video games; not provide your portal into the entire digital world and life that is unavoidable in the modern day.
- pests 2y ago
  Same thing for some people.
  - yunohn 2y ago
    What do you mean? I’ve never heard of a bank force you to login with a PlayStation or Xbox, but they do often force you to use the iOS or android apps for various functionality.
guestbest 2y ago
Can the XBox or PlayStation let users access online banking and manage assets?
- wccrawford 2y ago
  The PS5's browser is hidden (it'll pop up when clicking links in Youtube video descriptions, etc), but it seems that the XBox one is just there to be used. So, yes.
  - jasonlotito 2y ago
    Having a browser online does not mean you can do your banking. It just means you have a browser. It's also almost guaranteed to not be a browser supported by the banks. Not to mention the myriad of other things that mobile phones provide in the context of mobile phones. The answer is only "yes" if you ignore reality.
    - kergonath 2y ago
      There are serious problems with this reasoning. A bank supporting a platform or not does not change the nature of that platform. That would be stupid.
      - deleted 2y ago
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      - consteval 2y ago
        The nature of those platforms is they're devices to play video games specifically made for them. Yes, they're computers, but so is your washing machine. But these aren't general purpose computing devices. To me, it makes no sense to enforce a free-for-all for those.
- jim180 2y ago
  PS4 has the browser, so yes.
  - jasonlotito 2y ago
    I'd love to see someone pull out a console in the town square to make payments. The answer is no.
    - kergonath 2y ago
      The original point was “let users access online banking and manage assets”, not whether you could “pull [it] out in the town square to make payments”. As an aside, why the town square? It’s oddly specific and is a phrase I’ve mostly read in stupid comments about Twitter in the last couple of years. Anyway, please consider stopping trolling.
      - jasonlotito 2y ago
        > The original point was “let users access online banking and manage assets”, e.g. Can you pay for groceries with it like you can with a phone? Can you use it to pay for food at a restaurant, buy train tickets, or many other things are in many cases cashless. "access online banking and manage asset" is a shorter way of saying all of the myriad of ways people need to use online banking day to day. > a phrase I’ve mostly read in stupid comments about Twitter in the last couple of years. I try not to read stupid content so I don't know. > Anyway, please consider stopping trolling. The irony.
Mindwipe 2y ago
Because none of them have sold enough units to count as very large platforms under the DSA.
- alberth 2y ago
  Both XBox and PlayStation have more MAU than what the DSA states as the threshold. 45M MAU is the DSA threshold [0] ----------------------------- 120M MAU is what XBox has [1] 116M MAU is what PSN has [2] [0] https://www.eu-digital-services-act.com/ https://www.eu-digital-services-act.com/ [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/531063/xbox-live-mau-number/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/531063/xbox-live-mau-num... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/272639/number-of-registered-accounts-of-playstation-network/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/272639/number-of-registe...
  - rsynnott 2y ago
    That's global, not Europe.
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whizzter 2y ago
Phones has become everyday items (and as a sibling comment pointed out, gone past the DSA regulation threshhold), homeless people in the Stockholm subway will go around with crappy Androids asking for "Swish" (immediate money transfer app, used for P2P and other fast small amount transactions around here like restaurants and at open air markets). Low-tech people often don't bother buying new computers since their phones are required for banking (BankID identification) whilst the computer is optional.
2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
> Genuine question ... It's so genuine that it's asked in every single thread on this topic.
- colejohnson66 2y ago
  There's more than one person in these threads. It's entirely possible (in fact, it's actuality), that the people asking it before are not those asking it now. From the rules: do not assume astroturfing or that others are non-genuine.
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
    I didn't assume astroturfing, I assumed that it wasn't actually genuine. Most things that people say are genuine, there is no need to say, "genuine question!"
rsynnott 2y ago
Phones are, honestly, more of an obvious first target, and harder for the manufacturers to argue about. Everyone has a smartphone. Game console sales in Europe are in the 5-10 million/year range, by contrast. And only one of the console manufacturers (Microsoft) is covered by the DMA at all, AFAIK; the other two just aren't significant enough. That said, I wouldn't be amazed if attention is paid to consoles sooner or later, possibly bundled in with smarttvs.
firecall 2y ago
Who’s to say they won’t at some point? This isn’t about punishing Apple. It’s about economic opportunity for EU citizens and businesses. The EU has a responsibility to promote the prosperity of its citizens. If that means dictating how a US company does business, then that’s what they are going to do. Which is the EUs prerogative. As an aside, and something that is seldom mentioned, but if Apple and the other trillion dollar tech giants just paid their fair share of taxes then they may not be in this mess!
- goodnowdothis 2y ago
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EasyMark 2y ago
You have to start somewhere maybe? Might as well be the 1800lb gorilla
latexr 2y ago
> They arguably have an even more restrictive environment than iOS. Yet they inarguably have less marketshare and a reduced role in citizens’ lives. Modern living in society necessitates some digital access to the internet. Even homeless people have smartphones. Yet all those crucial interactions are mediated by devices controlled by too few players, meaning that a couple of foreign rich companies dictate too much of what you can do and have provably and repeatedly abused that power to entrench themselves further. Consoles are entirely different, people don’t depend on them for interacting with society.

Genuine question ... Why doesn't the EU apply these same rules to video game consoles (Xbox/PlayStation)? They arguably have an even more restrictive environment than iOS.

yunohn 2y ago

Huh? They play video games; not provide your portal into the entire digital world and life that is unavoidable in the modern day.

pests 2y ago
Same thing for some people.
- yunohn 2y ago
  What do you mean? I’ve never heard of a bank force you to login with a PlayStation or Xbox, but they do often force you to use the iOS or android apps for various functionality.

guestbest 2y ago

Can the XBox or PlayStation let users access online banking and manage assets?

wccrawford 2y ago
The PS5's browser is hidden (it'll pop up when clicking links in Youtube video descriptions, etc), but it seems that the XBox one is just there to be used. So, yes.
- jasonlotito 2y ago
  Having a browser online does not mean you can do your banking. It just means you have a browser. It's also almost guaranteed to not be a browser supported by the banks. Not to mention the myriad of other things that mobile phones provide in the context of mobile phones. The answer is only "yes" if you ignore reality.
  - kergonath 2y ago
    There are serious problems with this reasoning. A bank supporting a platform or not does not change the nature of that platform. That would be stupid.
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
    - consteval 2y ago
      The nature of those platforms is they're devices to play video games specifically made for them. Yes, they're computers, but so is your washing machine. But these aren't general purpose computing devices. To me, it makes no sense to enforce a free-for-all for those.
jim180 2y ago
PS4 has the browser, so yes.
- jasonlotito 2y ago
  I'd love to see someone pull out a console in the town square to make payments. The answer is no.
  - kergonath 2y ago
    The original point was “let users access online banking and manage assets”, not whether you could “pull [it] out in the town square to make payments”. As an aside, why the town square? It’s oddly specific and is a phrase I’ve mostly read in stupid comments about Twitter in the last couple of years. Anyway, please consider stopping trolling.
    - jasonlotito 2y ago
      > The original point was “let users access online banking and manage assets”, e.g. Can you pay for groceries with it like you can with a phone? Can you use it to pay for food at a restaurant, buy train tickets, or many other things are in many cases cashless. "access online banking and manage asset" is a shorter way of saying all of the myriad of ways people need to use online banking day to day. > a phrase I’ve mostly read in stupid comments about Twitter in the last couple of years. I try not to read stupid content so I don't know. > Anyway, please consider stopping trolling. The irony.

Mindwipe 2y ago

Because none of them have sold enough units to count as very large platforms under the DSA.

alberth 2y ago
Both XBox and PlayStation have more MAU than what the DSA states as the threshold. 45M MAU is the DSA threshold [0] ----------------------------- 120M MAU is what XBox has [1] 116M MAU is what PSN has [2] [0] https://www.eu-digital-services-act.com/ https://www.eu-digital-services-act.com/ [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/531063/xbox-live-mau-number/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/531063/xbox-live-mau-num... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/272639/number-of-registered-accounts-of-playstation-network/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/272639/number-of-registe...
- rsynnott 2y ago
  That's global, not Europe.
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whizzter 2y ago

Phones has become everyday items (and as a sibling comment pointed out, gone past the DSA regulation threshhold), homeless people in the Stockholm subway will go around with crappy Androids asking for "Swish" (immediate money transfer app, used for P2P and other fast small amount transactions around here like restaurants and at open air markets). Low-tech people often don't bother buying new computers since their phones are required for banking (BankID identification) whilst the computer is optional.

2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago

> Genuine question ... It's so genuine that it's asked in every single thread on this topic.

colejohnson66 2y ago
There's more than one person in these threads. It's entirely possible (in fact, it's actuality), that the people asking it before are not those asking it now. From the rules: do not assume astroturfing or that others are non-genuine.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
  I didn't assume astroturfing, I assumed that it wasn't actually genuine. Most things that people say are genuine, there is no need to say, "genuine question!"

rsynnott 2y ago

Phones are, honestly, more of an obvious first target, and harder for the manufacturers to argue about. Everyone has a smartphone. Game console sales in Europe are in the 5-10 million/year range, by contrast. And only one of the console manufacturers (Microsoft) is covered by the DMA at all, AFAIK; the other two just aren't significant enough. That said, I wouldn't be amazed if attention is paid to consoles sooner or later, possibly bundled in with smarttvs.

firecall 2y ago

Who’s to say they won’t at some point? This isn’t about punishing Apple. It’s about economic opportunity for EU citizens and businesses. The EU has a responsibility to promote the prosperity of its citizens. If that means dictating how a US company does business, then that’s what they are going to do. Which is the EUs prerogative. As an aside, and something that is seldom mentioned, but if Apple and the other trillion dollar tech giants just paid their fair share of taxes then they may not be in this mess!

goodnowdothis 2y ago
[dead]

EasyMark 2y ago

You have to start somewhere maybe? Might as well be the 1800lb gorilla

latexr 2y ago

> They arguably have an even more restrictive environment than iOS. Yet they inarguably have less marketshare and a reduced role in citizens’ lives. Modern living in society necessitates some digital access to the internet. Even homeless people have smartphones. Yet all those crucial interactions are mediated by devices controlled by too few players, meaning that a couple of foreign rich companies dictate too much of what you can do and have provably and repeatedly abused that power to entrench themselves further. Consoles are entirely different, people don’t depend on them for interacting with society.