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That is absolutely not evidence.

acdha 2y ago
It’s not a peer reviewed double blind study but it absolutely is evidence that the people with 95% share think that their product interferes with basic human needs and becomes habit forming after half an hour, just as it was evidence that R. J. Reynolds executives knew roughly how few cigarettes a teenager needed to smoke to become a lifelong customer even if they didn’t know the exact neuroscience of how that worked or run a psychology study trying to exactly quantify effectiveness.
- Mindwipe 2y ago
  So, absolutely not evidence of dopamine release which is what the parent comment asked for.
  - acdha 2y ago
    No, it is evidence but it’s at different levels as explained. Trying to be pedantic is just obscuring whatever point you are trying to make.
llamaimperative 2y ago
TikTok’s own research showing specifically that TikTok fixation is pulling kids away from the activities that GP listed? “Higher levels of dopamine release” is a nonsense metric. To the extent that it matters, it matters due to its ability to steer decision-making, and TikTok here is saying they know their product distorts decision-making in exactly the problematic manner. The particular mixture of hormone signals yielding those behaviors is a red herring.
- Mindwipe 2y ago
  > “Higher levels of dopamine release” is a nonsense metric. Then the correct answer to the parent comment's request for evidence to the claims of higher levels of dopamine release is "no, there isn't any, and it is likely a fabricated claim" and not "here is something completely different that I am falsely going to claim is evidence to the question you asked."
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    Uhhh no one claimed it releases more dopamine than other activities, so the question itself was a red herring from the actual discussion. You're right though, you can go on your pedantic way :) Thank you for your contribution!
hinkley 2y ago
From a lawsuit standpoint, that is evidence. In this case the poison is in the dose. Sex also releases a cascade of neurochemicals, but I challenge you to have more sex in a day than you can watch videos on TikTok in two hours. You can essentially hold down the button in the Skinner Box. You can use Google just like I can. You’re not asking because of curiosity, you’re asking because you’re hoping you won’t have to think.

It’s not a peer reviewed double blind study but it absolutely is evidence that the people with 95% share think that their product interferes with basic human needs and becomes habit forming after half an hour, just as it was evidence that R. J. Reynolds executives knew roughly how few cigarettes a teenager needed to smoke to become a lifelong customer even if they didn’t know the exact neuroscience of how that worked or run a psychology study trying to exactly quantify effectiveness.

Mindwipe 2y ago
So, absolutely not evidence of dopamine release which is what the parent comment asked for.
- acdha 2y ago
  No, it is evidence but it’s at different levels as explained. Trying to be pedantic is just obscuring whatever point you are trying to make.

llamaimperative 2y ago

TikTok’s own research showing specifically that TikTok fixation is pulling kids away from the activities that GP listed? “Higher levels of dopamine release” is a nonsense metric. To the extent that it matters, it matters due to its ability to steer decision-making, and TikTok here is saying they know their product distorts decision-making in exactly the problematic manner. The particular mixture of hormone signals yielding those behaviors is a red herring.

Mindwipe 2y ago
> “Higher levels of dopamine release” is a nonsense metric. Then the correct answer to the parent comment's request for evidence to the claims of higher levels of dopamine release is "no, there isn't any, and it is likely a fabricated claim" and not "here is something completely different that I am falsely going to claim is evidence to the question you asked."
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  Uhhh no one claimed it releases more dopamine than other activities, so the question itself was a red herring from the actual discussion. You're right though, you can go on your pedantic way :) Thank you for your contribution!

hinkley 2y ago

From a lawsuit standpoint, that is evidence. In this case the poison is in the dose. Sex also releases a cascade of neurochemicals, but I challenge you to have more sex in a day than you can watch videos on TikTok in two hours. You can essentially hold down the button in the Skinner Box. You can use Google just like I can. You’re not asking because of curiosity, you’re asking because you’re hoping you won’t have to think.