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...what? In what dystopian world is it not okay to point out if someone is verifiably lying? Linus made very few comments in the context of this removal, and

by ffsm8 2y ago

...what? In what dystopian world is it not okay to point out if someone is verifiably lying? Linus made very few comments in the context of this removal, and they were very easy to understand. It was abundantly clear why the maintainers were removed and that they could be reinstated if they provided sufficient proof/documents that the sanctions don't apply to them. Thus, they were lying.

pvg 2y ago
People can be mistaken or misinformed. They could just be wrong. You could just be wrong. On HN, you can't start yelling 'liar!' at random internet strangers, that's just how the site works or else it wouldn't. If you think a comment is particularly bad you can downvote it, flag it or email the site moderators about it at hn@ycombinator.com This is all in https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html
- ffsm8 2y ago
  I didn't "start yelling liar". I observed they were doing so, and provided evidence that their claims were lies.
  - pvg 2y ago
    If I observe you are a dunderhead, it's still namecalling and an insult even if I believe the observation is factual. Lots of mod commentary about it (beside being the the site guidelines) https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20facts%20red%20herring&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
    - ffsm8 2y ago
      Yes , what you're doing there is name-calling and a direct insult. You might note that I used a verb, not a noun. I literally described the action the person I was responding to took It's akin to saying "he's talking nonsense" when someone is just putting random syllables after each other. If that is insulting, than the fact he took the action is the insult, not my pointing it out.
      - pvg 2y ago
        That's not how insults work and it's definitely not how HN works. You can't start telling people you disagree with that they are lying, out of nowhere. It's not some convoluted or difficult guideline, it's not 'akin to' your example, it's just plain name calling. Don't do it here, please.
  - mytailorisrich 2y ago
    You have not observed anything nor providing any evidence of anything. You are insulting me by calling me names and implying that I am in bad faith (You did not write that I was "wrong", you wrote that I was "lying"), and those were your very first words to me. I have only expressed my opinion based on what I have read [1], including the mailing list. The very fact that the whole affair is causing so much waves suggests that the communication has been poor. You are free to disagree but don't be a dick about it. [1] https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/23/linus_torvalds_affirms_expulsion_of/ https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/23/linus_torvalds_affirm...
    - ffsm8 2y ago
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by ffsm8 2y ago

pvg 2y ago

People can be mistaken or misinformed. They could just be wrong. You could just be wrong. On HN, you can't start yelling 'liar!' at random internet strangers, that's just how the site works or else it wouldn't. If you think a comment is particularly bad you can downvote it, flag it or email the site moderators about it at hn@ycombinator.com This is all in https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

ffsm8 2y ago
I didn't "start yelling liar". I observed they were doing so, and provided evidence that their claims were lies.
- pvg 2y ago
  If I observe you are a dunderhead, it's still namecalling and an insult even if I believe the observation is factual. Lots of mod commentary about it (beside being the the site guidelines) https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20facts%20red%20herring&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
  - ffsm8 2y ago
    Yes , what you're doing there is name-calling and a direct insult. You might note that I used a verb, not a noun. I literally described the action the person I was responding to took It's akin to saying "he's talking nonsense" when someone is just putting random syllables after each other. If that is insulting, than the fact he took the action is the insult, not my pointing it out.
    - pvg 2y ago
      That's not how insults work and it's definitely not how HN works. You can't start telling people you disagree with that they are lying, out of nowhere. It's not some convoluted or difficult guideline, it's not 'akin to' your example, it's just plain name calling. Don't do it here, please.
- mytailorisrich 2y ago
  You have not observed anything nor providing any evidence of anything. You are insulting me by calling me names and implying that I am in bad faith (You did not write that I was "wrong", you wrote that I was "lying"), and those were your very first words to me. I have only expressed my opinion based on what I have read [1], including the mailing list. The very fact that the whole affair is causing so much waves suggests that the communication has been poor. You are free to disagree but don't be a dick about it. [1] https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/23/linus_torvalds_affirms_expulsion_of/ https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/23/linus_torvalds_affirm...
  - ffsm8 2y ago
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