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I know you must have really strong feelings about it and may have even personally suffered, that is terrible and sad too! In war time a lot of companies supply

I know you must have really strong feelings about it and may have even personally suffered, that is terrible and sad too! In war time a lot of companies supply the country. The war is obviously no fault of his. But the leap to persecution is actually a more war-like attitude that is where we lose some of our humanity and decency, so it’s better to skip it.

alkyon 2y ago
"Supply the country" is misrepresentation. He's not a baker. Microprocessors manufacrured by Baikal Electronics were used by military (however defective they were). I don't think it's persecution what Linus did, it is a necessity
- keepamovin 2y ago
  By leap to persecution I was referring to your comment about him. But I guess Linus' words count too. Anyway, I feel sorry for you that you think that way. When abusing people based on their country becomes a necessity, we are not far from war.
  - Veen 2y ago
    We are not far from war because Russia invaded Europe. This developer works for a company supplying materiel to the Russian military.
    - keepamovin 2y ago
      Look beyond the common explanations. Russia is not an unreasonable or irrational actor. There’s context you’re missing, I think. When you lay the blame all on one side you justify war. Anyway, the bigger picture is that no human society is free of war, blood and death. This is not a group-unique problem. It is a whole of humanity problem. Keeping that in mind, i.e. the geopolitical version of the hacker news rule remember the human, might actually pave the path to peace. To resolve a genuine conflict you probably need each party to take 100% responsibility.
      - Veen 2y ago
        I'm happy to bite the bullet. I have taken sides and I want my side to win. People who give material support to the enemy should face consequences. I come to this conclusion because war is an inevitable "humanity problem", there will never be universal peace, and I'd rather Ukraine was free and Europe-aligned than unfree and Russia-aligned. Why? Because I'm European and that's better for me, my country, and the people I care about.
  - thoroughburro 2y ago
    You’re weirdly intent on painting antiwar actions as prowar. No argument; you just state it over and over. Peace is war, war is peace? Nah. You’re just propagandizing.
    - keepamovin 2y ago
      If you can’t see the connection, I guess that makes you at risk of being pro-war, yeah? Hehehe :)
- kalloc 2y ago
  and it's still open source?
Symbiote 2y ago
What an utterly false equivalence. One guy loses his "volunteer" position, which in fact he was being paid to do by either the Russian government or the Russian military (via Baikal Electronics). The other side has missiles and drones falling on their cities.
- cpluseq 2y ago
  At the moment the most bombed place in the world is probably Lebanon. What should be done to make sure Linux is not involved in this bombing of civilians? At the very least, we should figure out which military contractors are involved, and which countries they are from.
  - alkyon 2y ago
    This is whataboutism. Isreal maybe is not my cup of tea, but at least they have some justification for waging their war because they were attacked first. So Israel with all its faults is not in the same league with Russia. Edit: typo
- keepamovin 2y ago
  Losing the sense of balance and proportionality, with everyone being equal, is what takes you down the road to war...Not good.
  - Symbiote 2y ago
    The West was trying that. We were trading with Russia and so on. Russia invaded, and again, and again, and again.
TiredOfLife 2y ago
> The war is obviously no fault of his. Citation needed.
- keepamovin 2y ago
  Sure: see cite note [1] [1]: common sense

alkyon 2y ago

"Supply the country" is misrepresentation. He's not a baker. Microprocessors manufacrured by Baikal Electronics were used by military (however defective they were). I don't think it's persecution what Linus did, it is a necessity

keepamovin 2y ago
By leap to persecution I was referring to your comment about him. But I guess Linus' words count too. Anyway, I feel sorry for you that you think that way. When abusing people based on their country becomes a necessity, we are not far from war.
- Veen 2y ago
  We are not far from war because Russia invaded Europe. This developer works for a company supplying materiel to the Russian military.
  - keepamovin 2y ago
    Look beyond the common explanations. Russia is not an unreasonable or irrational actor. There’s context you’re missing, I think. When you lay the blame all on one side you justify war. Anyway, the bigger picture is that no human society is free of war, blood and death. This is not a group-unique problem. It is a whole of humanity problem. Keeping that in mind, i.e. the geopolitical version of the hacker news rule remember the human, might actually pave the path to peace. To resolve a genuine conflict you probably need each party to take 100% responsibility.
    - Veen 2y ago
      I'm happy to bite the bullet. I have taken sides and I want my side to win. People who give material support to the enemy should face consequences. I come to this conclusion because war is an inevitable "humanity problem", there will never be universal peace, and I'd rather Ukraine was free and Europe-aligned than unfree and Russia-aligned. Why? Because I'm European and that's better for me, my country, and the people I care about.
- thoroughburro 2y ago
  You’re weirdly intent on painting antiwar actions as prowar. No argument; you just state it over and over. Peace is war, war is peace? Nah. You’re just propagandizing.
  - keepamovin 2y ago
    If you can’t see the connection, I guess that makes you at risk of being pro-war, yeah? Hehehe :)
kalloc 2y ago
and it's still open source?

Symbiote 2y ago

What an utterly false equivalence. One guy loses his "volunteer" position, which in fact he was being paid to do by either the Russian government or the Russian military (via Baikal Electronics). The other side has missiles and drones falling on their cities.

cpluseq 2y ago
At the moment the most bombed place in the world is probably Lebanon. What should be done to make sure Linux is not involved in this bombing of civilians? At the very least, we should figure out which military contractors are involved, and which countries they are from.
- alkyon 2y ago
  This is whataboutism. Isreal maybe is not my cup of tea, but at least they have some justification for waging their war because they were attacked first. So Israel with all its faults is not in the same league with Russia. Edit: typo
keepamovin 2y ago
Losing the sense of balance and proportionality, with everyone being equal, is what takes you down the road to war...Not good.
- Symbiote 2y ago
  The West was trying that. We were trading with Russia and so on. Russia invaded, and again, and again, and again.

TiredOfLife 2y ago

> The war is obviously no fault of his. Citation needed.

keepamovin 2y ago
Sure: see cite note [1] [1]: common sense