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This developer worked for Baikal Electronics (from the Google snippet of his GitHub page, and earlier emails from him to the Linux kernel lists — showing his wo

This developer worked for Baikal Electronics (from the Google snippet of his GitHub page, and earlier emails from him to the Linux kernel lists — showing his work was for that company). That company received very significant subsidy from the Russian state. They produced CPUs for the Russian military. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baikal_CPU https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baikal_CPU https://ge.usembassy.gov/targeting-russias-senior-officials-defense-industrial-base-and-human-rights-abusers-fact-sheet/ https://ge.usembassy.gov/targeting-russias-senior-officials-...

whatshisface 2y ago
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- doikor 2y ago
  US or EU are not sanctioning Amazon, US Department of Defense or US.
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mytailorisrich 2y ago
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- ffsm8 2y ago
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  - mytailorisrich 2y ago
    Please read the guidelines and abstain from insults. I am commenting on Linus' communication on this issue that has been exactly how I described.
    - ffsm8 2y ago
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      - pvg 2y ago
        You can't talk to people on HN like that, regardless of how you feel about their feelings and positions or else the forum goes to shit. That's why it's in the site guidelines.
        ffsm8 2y ago
        ...what? In what dystopian world is it not okay to point out if someone is verifiably lying? Linus made very few comments in the context of this removal, and they were very easy to understand. It was abundantly clear why the maintainers were removed and that they could be reinstated if they provided sufficient proof/documents that the sanctions don't apply to them. Thus, they were lying.
        pvg 2y ago
        People can be mistaken or misinformed. They could just be wrong. You could just be wrong. On HN, you can't start yelling 'liar!' at random internet strangers, that's just how the site works or else it wouldn't. If you think a comment is particularly bad you can downvote it, flag it or email the site moderators about it at hn@ycombinator.com This is all in https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html
        ffsm8 2y ago
        I didn't "start yelling liar". I observed they were doing so, and provided evidence that their claims were lies.
        pvg 2y ago
        If I observe you are a dunderhead, it's still namecalling and an insult even if I believe the observation is factual. Lots of mod commentary about it (beside being the the site guidelines) https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20facts%20red%20herring&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
DeathArrow 2y ago
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- whatshisface 2y ago
  A lot of other maintainers are, in the sense of needing to comply with sanctions so fully that they cannot even be charged with violating them.
  - ogurechny 2y ago
    The main problem, and the reason why these actions exploded, is that people actually believe that they are “owned” by some country, all the time, or just “in these difficult times”. And then they dare to call some other citizens “too obedient”. Note that self-professed “freedom loving” doesn't not mean much. There's always a million of excuses to tell yourself that you're an exception.
    - tankenmate 2y ago
      How people feel about the situation is not the same thing as what is legal (as well as the obvious statement that not everyone feels the same way about the adjacent issue of what is happening in the war between Ukraine and Russia). In this situation it is fairly obvious there are legal implications to having these people as maintainers; so the choice becomes "go with the feels" or run headlong into legal complications. The decision made at this juncture says about the decision maker. Turning your back on the rule of law is a big step.
      - oytis 2y ago
        > In this situation it is fairly obvious there are legal implications to having these people as maintainers It's not really obvious to me, and looks like to some other people too. It would really help if gkh explicitly said what law prohibits collaboration with Russia-based maintainers or what specific legal consequences they are avoiding in this manner. The vagueness just creates a sense of uncertainty for every non-Western contributor
gn4d 2y ago
Oh no, good thing there are no tech or defense personnel from non-Russian countries that contribute to the Linux kernel! Stop the presses!!!
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whatshisface 2y ago

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doikor 2y ago
US or EU are not sanctioning Amazon, US Department of Defense or US.
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mytailorisrich 2y ago

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ffsm8 2y ago
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- mytailorisrich 2y ago
  Please read the guidelines and abstain from insults. I am commenting on Linus' communication on this issue that has been exactly how I described.
  - ffsm8 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - pvg 2y ago
      You can't talk to people on HN like that, regardless of how you feel about their feelings and positions or else the forum goes to shit. That's why it's in the site guidelines.
      - ffsm8 2y ago
        ...what? In what dystopian world is it not okay to point out if someone is verifiably lying? Linus made very few comments in the context of this removal, and they were very easy to understand. It was abundantly clear why the maintainers were removed and that they could be reinstated if they provided sufficient proof/documents that the sanctions don't apply to them. Thus, they were lying.
        pvg 2y ago
        People can be mistaken or misinformed. They could just be wrong. You could just be wrong. On HN, you can't start yelling 'liar!' at random internet strangers, that's just how the site works or else it wouldn't. If you think a comment is particularly bad you can downvote it, flag it or email the site moderators about it at hn@ycombinator.com This is all in https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html
        ffsm8 2y ago
        I didn't "start yelling liar". I observed they were doing so, and provided evidence that their claims were lies.
        pvg 2y ago
        If I observe you are a dunderhead, it's still namecalling and an insult even if I believe the observation is factual. Lots of mod commentary about it (beside being the the site guidelines) https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20facts%20red%20herring&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

DeathArrow 2y ago

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whatshisface 2y ago
A lot of other maintainers are, in the sense of needing to comply with sanctions so fully that they cannot even be charged with violating them.
- ogurechny 2y ago
  The main problem, and the reason why these actions exploded, is that people actually believe that they are “owned” by some country, all the time, or just “in these difficult times”. And then they dare to call some other citizens “too obedient”. Note that self-professed “freedom loving” doesn't not mean much. There's always a million of excuses to tell yourself that you're an exception.
  - tankenmate 2y ago
    How people feel about the situation is not the same thing as what is legal (as well as the obvious statement that not everyone feels the same way about the adjacent issue of what is happening in the war between Ukraine and Russia). In this situation it is fairly obvious there are legal implications to having these people as maintainers; so the choice becomes "go with the feels" or run headlong into legal complications. The decision made at this juncture says about the decision maker. Turning your back on the rule of law is a big step.
    - oytis 2y ago
      > In this situation it is fairly obvious there are legal implications to having these people as maintainers It's not really obvious to me, and looks like to some other people too. It would really help if gkh explicitly said what law prohibits collaboration with Russia-based maintainers or what specific legal consequences they are avoiding in this manner. The vagueness just creates a sense of uncertainty for every non-Western contributor

gn4d 2y ago

Oh no, good thing there are no tech or defense personnel from non-Russian countries that contribute to the Linux kernel! Stop the presses!!!

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