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It looks like typical wartime politics. It's better to say sorry rather than to risk millons of lives due to espionage. There is no liberals at war.
by oneshtein 2y ago
It looks like typical wartime politics. It's better to say sorry rather than to risk millons of lives due to espionage. There is no liberals at war.
- whatshisface 2y ago>It's better to say sorry rather than to risk millons of lives due to espionage. We can't open a discussion about obfuscated FSB patches if we aren't going to ask what we're doing about obsfucated NSA patches.
- oneshtein 2y ago> Could this have been an NSA attack? Maybe. But there were many others who had the skill and motivation to carry out this attack. Unless somebody confesses, or a smoking-gun document turns up, we’ll never know. USA? Russia? China? Israel? North Korea? Iran?
- Arnt 2y agoThis isn't about patches at all. They can submit patches. Anyone can. This is about being listed as a contact. You can EITHER work for a company that produces CPUs for the Russian army OR answer mail on behalf of the linux kernel maintainers, but not both.
- whatshisface 2y agoSo, what, the espionage concern is that a person who is listed as a contact might read emails on LKML.org? The only possible justification for this is the one being offered, that some lawyers do not believe it is safe for Linus to head a project with ties that could be made real to a jury between its leaders and sanctioned entities. Considering the fact that individual people need to stay out of court as badly as they need to avoid being convicted this is not such a difficult decision to empathize with, but it is being conducted in a typical Kernel fashion, with personal views being injected at all the worst moments and contributors leaving who would not have had any quarrels if they had not been fabricated.
- Arnt 2y agoWhat espionage concern? Has anyone involved said there is one?
- whatshisface 2y agoYes, and I quoted the comment I had replied to. It sounds like we agree except for misunderstanding.
- oneshtein 2y agoThey still able to read LKML, so it's not, but they no longer ask questions like "Tell me details of your hardware because I'm official kernel maintainer while you is just engineerer, so I can easily harm you career if you refuse to cooperate.", then use this information to improve hardware used in Russian weapons.
- whatshisface 2y agoIf official kernel maintainers could harm careers over not telling them proprietary hardware details, NVIDIA would be selling hot dogs at a street corner.
- Arnt 2y agoIt doesn't matter. The sanctions say "don't cooperate with those companies", not "unless the cooperation is harmless" or "only according to your judgment" or anything like that.
- whatshisface 2y agoThat explains why it had to happen, but says little about what our opinion about it should be.
- Arnt 2y agoA rule that's simple enough to understand reasonably quickly is also simple enough to mishandle some corner case. In this case: Pity for the guys who build Putin's glide bombs.
- ogurechny 2y agoYou managed to read about the results of that idiocy, and believe it's a promotion of that same idiocy.
- yencabulator 2y agoIt's not about espionage, it's about sanctions intended to cause economic loss to the companies targeted (and thus to the country those companies are in). State level actors won't be using such "flagged" companies as their delivery method; see Jia Tan.