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And yet, the Vietnam of Computer Science paper didn't stop the creation of ORM's. There's something fundamentally broken with SQL syntax, and yelling at people
by bb88 2y ago
And yet, the Vietnam of Computer Science paper didn't stop the creation of ORM's.
There's something fundamentally broken with SQL syntax, and yelling at people to "Just Use SQL" doesn't really help.
- mbrumlow 2y agoIts better than sitting silent and doing nothing. What it does is validate other peoples feelings who feel the same way. And just maybe, that validation will lead to them saying "fuck ORMs" when some junior dev comes in and tries to use one.
- bb88 2y agoFair, but it also reinforces the stereotype that the pro-SQL types are obstinate relics yelling at the youngsters to "Get off my lawn!" There's a pattern of "We can't change X, so we'll write Y that transpiles down to X". It happens often with closed source tools and others that can't or won't implement new languages. Verilog, SQL, Javascript, all fit that bill. E.g. Why is Javascript the only first class language for the browser? For the longest time JS was the only game in town.
- sivakon 2y agoexcuse me, what is Vietnam of Computer Science paper? what’s vietnam has to do with it?
- steveklabnik 2y agoI am not anti-ORM, but I do know that reference: https://www.odbms.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/031.01-Neward-The-Vietnam-of-Computer-Science-June-2006.pdf https://www.odbms.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/031.01-Newa...
- throwaway19972 2y ago> There's something fundamentally broken with SQL syntax ? Are you referring to something specific?