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Similar but open source: https://github.com/celzero/rethink-app https://github.com/celzero/rethink-app

transpute 2y ago
> similar but open source Netguard (per HN title) is open-source GPLv3: https://github.com/M66B/NetGuard https://github.com/M66B/NetGuard Rethink uses cloud services by default? The [DNS] resolver is deployed to Fly.io at max.rethinkdns.com and Deno Deploy at rdns.deno.dev too, apart from the default deployment on Cloudflare Workers.
- stevenhuang 2y ago
  Right, I saw their pro features listed and skipped over the oss mention. Yes rethink uses public fly resolver by default but you can self host that as well. Apologies, that's something I should have mentioned. https://github.com/serverless-dns/serverless-dns https://github.com/serverless-dns/serverless-dns
- ignoramous 2y ago
  rdns dev here > Rethink uses cloud services by default? There isn't anything sinister going on here with the use of "cloud services" [0][1]. Rethink, which is geared more towards anti-censorship, has its default resolver "ip-fronted" on Cloudflare (whose IPs are seldom blocked) and it works great in countries where the app is popular. Users can opt to switch to any DoH, DoT, ODoH, DNSCrypt v3 resolver of their choice. In fact, we encourage users on our reddit/telegram groups to use ODoH (we also run a public-facing ODoH proxy) and DNSCrypt upstreams because of their privacy guarantees. [0] If anything, hosting it cost us a bomb: https://old.reddit.com/r/rethinkdns/comments/17h2y6r https://old.reddit.com/r/rethinkdns/comments/17h2y6r / https://archive.md/slpZ9 https://archive.md/slpZ9 [1] Our stub resolvers are open-source & "open deploy" (ie deploy straight from github actions): https://github.com/serverless-dns/serverless-dns/actions/ https://github.com/serverless-dns/serverless-dns/actions/
  - justmarc 2y ago
    FWIW, Netguard's UI feels like one of an average opensource mobile app, while Rethink is a very polished experience. Well done!
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  - miroljub 2y ago
    > rdns dev here I have a question for you about RethinkDNS: Can you point me the link to one thread or question about Netguard on some major internet forums like HN, Reddit or similar, where you or other RethinkDNS devs did not jump in and hijacked the thread? Only one example, please? Your spammy marketing tactics of spamming makes your product looks like a scum, and I don't even have a desire to test. Also, why do you keep comparing one on device firewall like Netguard with a cloud first solution like RethinkDNS?
    - ignoramous 2y ago
      > hijacked the thread I (try and) mostly only respond to subthreads that mention Rethink. > why do you keep comparing one on device firewall like Netguard with a cloud first solution like RethinkDNS Rethink isn't cloud-first. > where you or other RethinkDNS devs There's 2 of us. The other one isn't on HN, or reddit, or any other forum. > spammy marketing tactics of spamming makes your product looks like a scum I'm sorry you think that.
orbisvicis 2y ago
I tried Rethink for the day. I had previously set Android's private DNS to dns.adguard-dns.com, which didn't block anything. Rethink's battery usage is 15 - 20% on my pixel in logging mode. It definitely works, but I can't seem to associate blocked requests with apps, which renders it far less useful. Overall I think it's a very busy UI. You definitely want to exclude Firefox with uBO as elsewise Firefox behaves as though the network is down, whereas with uBO you can interactively choose to proceed. I see there is an option to download the block lists locally. Does that mean it no longer uses DNS blocking? I see it described as a DNS blocker but it requires a VPN. Anyway, off to try a Adaway next.
- ignoramous 2y ago
  > Rethink's battery usage is 15 - 20% on my pixel in logging mode. This is unusually high. It doesn't cross 3% on my Android, but I'm using a version (v055o( that's yet to launch (but will in a week or so). If you only need DNS based blocking, tap on the down-arrow next to the STOP/START button and choose DNS-only mode. That should bring down battery use to 1% or so. > but I can't seem to associate blocked requests with apps, which renders it far less useful. Rethink most definitely can. Make sure to turn OFF Private DNS (instead of setting it to Opportunistic or Automatic). Ex A: https://mastodon.social/@tuxicoman@social.jesuislibre.net/112118424154518658 https://mastodon.social/@tuxicoman@social.jesuislibre.net/11... Ex B: https://mastodon.social/@33dBm@lazysocial.de/112051004405969777 https://mastodon.social/@33dBm@lazysocial.de/112051004405969... > ...download the block lists locally. Does that mean it no longer uses DNS blocking If you download the blocklists locally, then you can set those on your device, and use any DNS upstream (DoH/DoT/DNS53/DNSCrypt/ODoH) and the rules should be applied, regardless.

> similar but open source Netguard (per HN title) is open-source GPLv3: https://github.com/M66B/NetGuard https://github.com/M66B/NetGuard Rethink uses cloud services by default? The [DNS] resolver is deployed to Fly.io at max.rethinkdns.com and Deno Deploy at rdns.deno.dev too, apart from the default deployment on Cloudflare Workers.

stevenhuang 2y ago
Right, I saw their pro features listed and skipped over the oss mention. Yes rethink uses public fly resolver by default but you can self host that as well. Apologies, that's something I should have mentioned. https://github.com/serverless-dns/serverless-dns https://github.com/serverless-dns/serverless-dns
ignoramous 2y ago
rdns dev here > Rethink uses cloud services by default? There isn't anything sinister going on here with the use of "cloud services" [0][1]. Rethink, which is geared more towards anti-censorship, has its default resolver "ip-fronted" on Cloudflare (whose IPs are seldom blocked) and it works great in countries where the app is popular. Users can opt to switch to any DoH, DoT, ODoH, DNSCrypt v3 resolver of their choice. In fact, we encourage users on our reddit/telegram groups to use ODoH (we also run a public-facing ODoH proxy) and DNSCrypt upstreams because of their privacy guarantees. [0] If anything, hosting it cost us a bomb: https://old.reddit.com/r/rethinkdns/comments/17h2y6r https://old.reddit.com/r/rethinkdns/comments/17h2y6r / https://archive.md/slpZ9 https://archive.md/slpZ9 [1] Our stub resolvers are open-source & "open deploy" (ie deploy straight from github actions): https://github.com/serverless-dns/serverless-dns/actions/ https://github.com/serverless-dns/serverless-dns/actions/
- justmarc 2y ago
  FWIW, Netguard's UI feels like one of an average opensource mobile app, while Rethink is a very polished experience. Well done!
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- miroljub 2y ago
  > rdns dev here I have a question for you about RethinkDNS: Can you point me the link to one thread or question about Netguard on some major internet forums like HN, Reddit or similar, where you or other RethinkDNS devs did not jump in and hijacked the thread? Only one example, please? Your spammy marketing tactics of spamming makes your product looks like a scum, and I don't even have a desire to test. Also, why do you keep comparing one on device firewall like Netguard with a cloud first solution like RethinkDNS?
  - ignoramous 2y ago
    > hijacked the thread I (try and) mostly only respond to subthreads that mention Rethink. > why do you keep comparing one on device firewall like Netguard with a cloud first solution like RethinkDNS Rethink isn't cloud-first. > where you or other RethinkDNS devs There's 2 of us. The other one isn't on HN, or reddit, or any other forum. > spammy marketing tactics of spamming makes your product looks like a scum I'm sorry you think that.

orbisvicis 2y ago

I tried Rethink for the day. I had previously set Android's private DNS to dns.adguard-dns.com, which didn't block anything. Rethink's battery usage is 15 - 20% on my pixel in logging mode. It definitely works, but I can't seem to associate blocked requests with apps, which renders it far less useful. Overall I think it's a very busy UI. You definitely want to exclude Firefox with uBO as elsewise Firefox behaves as though the network is down, whereas with uBO you can interactively choose to proceed. I see there is an option to download the block lists locally. Does that mean it no longer uses DNS blocking? I see it described as a DNS blocker but it requires a VPN. Anyway, off to try a Adaway next.

ignoramous 2y ago
> Rethink's battery usage is 15 - 20% on my pixel in logging mode. This is unusually high. It doesn't cross 3% on my Android, but I'm using a version (v055o( that's yet to launch (but will in a week or so). If you only need DNS based blocking, tap on the down-arrow next to the STOP/START button and choose DNS-only mode. That should bring down battery use to 1% or so. > but I can't seem to associate blocked requests with apps, which renders it far less useful. Rethink most definitely can. Make sure to turn OFF Private DNS (instead of setting it to Opportunistic or Automatic). Ex A: https://mastodon.social/@tuxicoman@social.jesuislibre.net/112118424154518658 https://mastodon.social/@tuxicoman@social.jesuislibre.net/11... Ex B: https://mastodon.social/@33dBm@lazysocial.de/112051004405969777 https://mastodon.social/@33dBm@lazysocial.de/112051004405969... > ...download the block lists locally. Does that mean it no longer uses DNS blocking If you download the blocklists locally, then you can set those on your device, and use any DNS upstream (DoH/DoT/DNS53/DNSCrypt/ODoH) and the rules should be applied, regardless.