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Eh, people return their devices because don't know how to correctly use them all the time, I don't see how it is different here. And people definitely don't nee

by rty32 2y ago

Eh, people return their devices because don't know how to correctly use them all the time, I don't see how it is different here. And people definitely don't need to intentionally do this -- in the US, most major retailers allow you to return opened products within the return window (although it could get complicated with so-called "activatable devices")

wtallis 2y ago
It's not even a matter of whether the user knows how to use their device. I've seen plenty of Windows laptops shipped with a somewhat-broken software configuration out of the box, and on multiple occasions I've seen two "identical" machines fresh out of the box get offered different software updates with the end result that a few hours and several reboots later, one system is noticeably misbehaving.
betaby 2y ago
> I don't see how it is different here. iPhones are almost 'idiot proof' for a lack of a better description. Allowing removal ( or rather hiding ) of the apps will 'break' that impression. I'm surely in favour of making iPhones/IPads general computers, but that not going to happen. Those legislations from EU are no help.
- downWidOutaFite 2y ago
  i must be an idiot. As an iphone user for about a year i'm constantly confused what's happening or stuck on some screen or can't find what i need or mysteriously trigger some screen or popup.
- xp84 2y ago
  There are already a ton of default apps that can be removed, so I don't see how this matters. The only thing I don't understand is the App Store, since today that's the place you go if you have "deleted" say, Notes or Music, and want it back. I guess they'll have to add a button in Settings or something called "Restore App Store." And while people in general are certainly idiots and will certainly find a way to screw up, I don't think it's going to be a massive big deal to tell them "go to the App store and redownload _____" (plus whatever the way is to put the App Store back). We all know that the way to get it back isn't going to be like, SSH into the phone. Apple will have some way to do it that takes 10 seconds when people call into AppleCare, or literally the first person you see at the Apple Store will know about it.

by rty32 2y ago

wtallis 2y ago

It's not even a matter of whether the user knows how to use their device. I've seen plenty of Windows laptops shipped with a somewhat-broken software configuration out of the box, and on multiple occasions I've seen two "identical" machines fresh out of the box get offered different software updates with the end result that a few hours and several reboots later, one system is noticeably misbehaving.

betaby 2y ago

> I don't see how it is different here. iPhones are almost 'idiot proof' for a lack of a better description. Allowing removal ( or rather hiding ) of the apps will 'break' that impression. I'm surely in favour of making iPhones/IPads general computers, but that not going to happen. Those legislations from EU are no help.

downWidOutaFite 2y ago
i must be an idiot. As an iphone user for about a year i'm constantly confused what's happening or stuck on some screen or can't find what i need or mysteriously trigger some screen or popup.
xp84 2y ago
There are already a ton of default apps that can be removed, so I don't see how this matters. The only thing I don't understand is the App Store, since today that's the place you go if you have "deleted" say, Notes or Music, and want it back. I guess they'll have to add a button in Settings or something called "Restore App Store." And while people in general are certainly idiots and will certainly find a way to screw up, I don't think it's going to be a massive big deal to tell them "go to the App store and redownload _____" (plus whatever the way is to put the App Store back). We all know that the way to get it back isn't going to be like, SSH into the phone. Apple will have some way to do it that takes 10 seconds when people call into AppleCare, or literally the first person you see at the Apple Store will know about it.