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Is that really sufficient justification for stopping users from having more control over their device? Like should we really let the 'Grandma Finds the Interne

by Teever 2y ago

Is that really sufficient justification for stopping users from having more control over their device? Like should we really let the 'Grandma Finds the Internet'[0] meme be the reason that you and I can't make decisions for ourselves? Whatever cost savings that Apple has from avoiding support for these people is dwarfed by the money they make from stopping competitors to these apps from growing due to these control mechanisms. That's the real reason apple doesn't want to do this and has to be kicked dragging and screaming by the EU. [0] https://imgflip.com/memegenerator/Grandma-Finds-The-Internet https://imgflip.com/memegenerator/Grandma-Finds-The-Internet

gjsman-1000 2y ago
> Is that really sufficient justification for stopping users from having more control over their device? People who want more control over their devices; have Android. Not all solutions need fit all desires.
- Teever 2y ago
  That isn't enough. The public interest is served by the end users having more control over their devices than Android and Apple currently offer.
  - al_borland 2y ago
    Forcing both companies to have the same features reduces customer choice in the overall market. Some people want to choose the simple curated experience and the EU and others backing their decisions are removing that option from the market. iOS has already become significantly more complex over the years and this keeps dialing up the complexity and areas where a user can get tripped up. The support calls I’ve received from family since they all moved to Apple have dropped dramatically. It may not be the platform for you, but it’s the platform a lot of people prefer. This is because of the curation, not in spite of it. Infinite choice and control means an infinite potential for problems. A lot of people don’t want that. If they did, desktop Linux would be mainstream instead of a meme. I like that open platforms exist, but I also like that other platforms exist that don’t require much effort. Rarely do those things exist in a single package. I don’t know why people, who I only assume don’t use Apple products, feel the need to change them and take away what people like. Not being able to delete literally everything doesn’t seem like that big of a deal. Especially when those apps are ones a significant number of other applications assume exist and try to interact with. Where is the line? Or is there no line? Will people try to compel Apple to keep removing stuff until iOS boots up to a prompt where the user can net boot the OS of their choice?
    - Teever 2y ago
      The world is a better place because the government mandated interoperability between POTS telephones and that car manufacturers must be supply owners with parts that can be installed by any mechanic. We can and will have the best of both worlds with open devices that are user friendly. Apple has the resources both financial and technical to make this happen. It's just a matter of regulators making them do it. I thank the EU for pushing companies like Apple in the right direction first with USB-C, 3rd party app stores and now this. > Will people try to compel Apple to keep removing stuff until iOS boots up to a prompt where the user can net boot the OS of their choice? Hopefully regulators will compel Apple to open their mobile devices up the same way that their personal computers are. If I can install linux on my macbook why can't I install it on my iPhone? It doesn't affect people like your grandmother one bit.
      - xp84 2y ago
        Some Mac Genius commented up thread claiming that because someone's grandson secretly installed Boot Camp and converted her MacBook to Windows (with dumb consequences), nobody should be able to make significant choices about how to use ~their~ I mean Apple's, computers.
    - dns_snek 2y ago
      > This is because of the curation, not in spite of it. Infinite choice and control means an infinite potential for problems. A lot of people don’t want that. And those people don't have to opt into the unclean world of freedom that hasn't been blessed by Apple. All your family would need to do is NOT check the box that says "Let me explore outside this walled garden", which would be accompanied with a plethora of scaremongering confirmation screens.
      - al_borland 2y ago
        I think we’ve all met the people who know just enough to be dangerous, while overestimating their abilities. These were always the worst support calls when I was younger, and are the co-workers that give me pause was setting up access for the team.

by Teever 2y ago

gjsman-1000 2y ago

> Is that really sufficient justification for stopping users from having more control over their device? People who want more control over their devices; have Android. Not all solutions need fit all desires.

Teever 2y ago
That isn't enough. The public interest is served by the end users having more control over their devices than Android and Apple currently offer.
- al_borland 2y ago
  Forcing both companies to have the same features reduces customer choice in the overall market. Some people want to choose the simple curated experience and the EU and others backing their decisions are removing that option from the market. iOS has already become significantly more complex over the years and this keeps dialing up the complexity and areas where a user can get tripped up. The support calls I’ve received from family since they all moved to Apple have dropped dramatically. It may not be the platform for you, but it’s the platform a lot of people prefer. This is because of the curation, not in spite of it. Infinite choice and control means an infinite potential for problems. A lot of people don’t want that. If they did, desktop Linux would be mainstream instead of a meme. I like that open platforms exist, but I also like that other platforms exist that don’t require much effort. Rarely do those things exist in a single package. I don’t know why people, who I only assume don’t use Apple products, feel the need to change them and take away what people like. Not being able to delete literally everything doesn’t seem like that big of a deal. Especially when those apps are ones a significant number of other applications assume exist and try to interact with. Where is the line? Or is there no line? Will people try to compel Apple to keep removing stuff until iOS boots up to a prompt where the user can net boot the OS of their choice?
  - Teever 2y ago
    The world is a better place because the government mandated interoperability between POTS telephones and that car manufacturers must be supply owners with parts that can be installed by any mechanic. We can and will have the best of both worlds with open devices that are user friendly. Apple has the resources both financial and technical to make this happen. It's just a matter of regulators making them do it. I thank the EU for pushing companies like Apple in the right direction first with USB-C, 3rd party app stores and now this. > Will people try to compel Apple to keep removing stuff until iOS boots up to a prompt where the user can net boot the OS of their choice? Hopefully regulators will compel Apple to open their mobile devices up the same way that their personal computers are. If I can install linux on my macbook why can't I install it on my iPhone? It doesn't affect people like your grandmother one bit.
    - xp84 2y ago
      Some Mac Genius commented up thread claiming that because someone's grandson secretly installed Boot Camp and converted her MacBook to Windows (with dumb consequences), nobody should be able to make significant choices about how to use ~their~ I mean Apple's, computers.
  - dns_snek 2y ago
    > This is because of the curation, not in spite of it. Infinite choice and control means an infinite potential for problems. A lot of people don’t want that. And those people don't have to opt into the unclean world of freedom that hasn't been blessed by Apple. All your family would need to do is NOT check the box that says "Let me explore outside this walled garden", which would be accompanied with a plethora of scaremongering confirmation screens.
    - al_borland 2y ago
      I think we’ve all met the people who know just enough to be dangerous, while overestimating their abilities. These were always the worst support calls when I was younger, and are the co-workers that give me pause was setting up access for the team.