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Did you even look at the artifacts? Its a bunch of things a beginner would do on their first day programming. How do you make thousands a month from 1 library c

by inexcf 2y ago

Did you even look at the artifacts? Its a bunch of things a beginner would do on their first day programming. How do you make thousands a month from 1 library call to solve a qr code. A promotion for building an input field and calling a json to yaml converter library?

newswasboring 2y ago
> Its a bunch of things a beginner would do on their first day programming. Is this an exaggeration? Because this is absolutely not true. I'm a beginner in JavaScript and other web stuff and I absolutely can't build it in many days.
- inexcf 2y ago
  You better check the code, mate. The meat of what most of it does is a one liner calling jsQR or some other imported lib to do the real work. I am not exaggerating in the slightest.
  - newswasboring 2y ago
    Dude. I don't judge my knowledge after the answer is given to me. If I was the junior programmer assigned to the author and they were having this chat with me I am telling you as a beginner I wouldn't be able to do it. Of course if you show me the answers I will think I can do it easy, because answers in programming are always easy (good answers anyways). It's the process of finding the answer that is hard. And I'm not a bad programmer either, I'm at least mediocre, I'm just unfamiliar with web technology.
    - inexcf 2y ago
      I am of the firm believe that you can put "JavaScript scan qr code" in a search engine and arrive at your goal. The answers range from libraries to code snippets basically the same as those created by Claude. Using the same libraries. I feel like googling every step would be faster than trying to get it right with LLMs, but that is a different point. I've seen a complete no-code person install whisper x with a virtual Python environment and use it for realtime speech to text in their Japanese lessons, in less than 3 hours. You can do a simple library call in JavaScript.
      - simonw 2y ago
        "I feel like googling every step would be faster than trying to get it right with LLMs" Why don't you give that a go? See if you can knock out a QR code reading UI in JavaScript in less than 3 minutes, complete with drag-and-drop file opening support. (I literally built this one in a separate browser tab while I was actively taking notes in a meeting) I say three minutes because my first message in https://gist.github.com/simonw/c2b0c42cd1541d6ed6bfe5c17d638039 https://gist.github.com/simonw/c2b0c42cd1541d6ed6bfe5c17d638... was at 2:45pm and the final reply from Claude was at 2:47pm.
        what 2y ago
        Should probably add some time for finding the correct url for the jsqr library, since the LLM didn’t do that for you.
        simonw 2y ago
        Yeah, add another minute for that. It was pretty easy to spot - I got a 404, so I searched jsdelivr for jsqr and dropped that in instead.
        deleted 2y ago
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        tharant 2y ago
        That gist is pretty close to what I’ve been looking for; thank you! Examples of a chat session that resulted in a usable project are /very/ helpful. Unfortunately, the gist demonstrates, to me at least, that the models don’t know enough about the languages I wish to use. Those prompts might be sufficient enough to result in deployable HTML/JS code comprised of a couple hundred lines of code but that’s fairly trivial in my definition. I’m not trying to be rude or disrespectful to you; within my environment, non-trivial projects typically involve an entire microservice doing even mildly interesting business logic and offering some kind of API or integration with another, similarly non-trivial API—usually both. And they’re typically built on languages that are compiled either to libraries/executables or they’re compiled to bytecode for the JVM/CLR. Again, I’m not trying to be disrespectful. You’ve built some really great stuff and I appreciate you sharing your experiences; I wish I knew some of the things you do—you keep writing about your experiences and I’ll keep reading ‘em, we can learn together. The problem is that I’m beginning to recognize that these models are perhaps not nearly ready for the kinds of work I want or need to do, and I’m feeling a bit bummed that the capabilities the industry currently touts are significantly more overhyped than I’d imagined.
  - farts_mckensy 2y ago
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HaZeust 2y ago
Millions of laypersons a month search "convert (file type) to (file type) online" and just smack an AdWords embed on their site for it. Millions of people want a QR code's embedded link in their camera roll, without access to a camera that's pointing at it. You'd be surprised how big the "(simple task) online" search query market is, and how much they are usually multi-visit monthly customers, and how much their ad space is worth. I cannot stress this enough, just because it's simple does not mean it's not lucrative.
- inexcf 2y ago
  You should do it then. Besides all of this is completely besides the point. This isnt useful for a programmer. These examples are barely useful for a layperson. And said layperson is paying money and time for this.
  - farts_mckensy 2y ago
    The goal posts keep shifting. It's so obvious to anyone who's paid attention to this space for a few years.
    - tharant 2y ago
      Goalposts shift; growth is critical to being (staying?) an intelligent species.
    - inexcf 2y ago
      Except my goalposts never shifted. And my point stands, these are extremely trivial examples.
  - HaZeust 2y ago
    I have, that's how I'm telling you the way you can, too.
    - inexcf 2y ago
      Any way or intention to prove that? Wheres you "convert (filetype) project"? Not to attack you but from your profile it sounds more like your the typical marketing grifter talking big. Why is none of those projects in the list you mention there? Looking deeper you got lots of projects with parts of your websites just broken and seem to be peddling what looks like life insurance scams.
simonw 2y ago
I'd like to see a beginner build this: https://tools.simonwillison.net/openai-audio https://tools.simonwillison.net/openai-audio
- inexcf 2y ago
  It's definitely not as trivial as the json converter. But not anywhere even close to complex. Recording audio is very simple, calling a remote API is too. The complex part is encoding the WAV blob. But that is just knowledge about the format with the exact code snippet that claude uses found in the first stack overflow answer. And it is strange that Claude picked the AudioRecorder when the MediaRecorder exists. I'd wager a beginner would have used the latter(i don't use javascript and am not better than a beginner in any way, but i found that) since it outputs a straight wav file and doesn't need the encoding step. And since the data isn't streamed to OpenAI there's no need for the audio chunks that AudioRecorder provides. So Claude did it in an unnecessarily complex way, that doesn't make the problem complex.

by inexcf 2y ago

newswasboring 2y ago

> Its a bunch of things a beginner would do on their first day programming. Is this an exaggeration? Because this is absolutely not true. I'm a beginner in JavaScript and other web stuff and I absolutely can't build it in many days.

inexcf 2y ago
You better check the code, mate. The meat of what most of it does is a one liner calling jsQR or some other imported lib to do the real work. I am not exaggerating in the slightest.
- newswasboring 2y ago
  Dude. I don't judge my knowledge after the answer is given to me. If I was the junior programmer assigned to the author and they were having this chat with me I am telling you as a beginner I wouldn't be able to do it. Of course if you show me the answers I will think I can do it easy, because answers in programming are always easy (good answers anyways). It's the process of finding the answer that is hard. And I'm not a bad programmer either, I'm at least mediocre, I'm just unfamiliar with web technology.
  - inexcf 2y ago
    I am of the firm believe that you can put "JavaScript scan qr code" in a search engine and arrive at your goal. The answers range from libraries to code snippets basically the same as those created by Claude. Using the same libraries. I feel like googling every step would be faster than trying to get it right with LLMs, but that is a different point. I've seen a complete no-code person install whisper x with a virtual Python environment and use it for realtime speech to text in their Japanese lessons, in less than 3 hours. You can do a simple library call in JavaScript.
    - simonw 2y ago
      "I feel like googling every step would be faster than trying to get it right with LLMs" Why don't you give that a go? See if you can knock out a QR code reading UI in JavaScript in less than 3 minutes, complete with drag-and-drop file opening support. (I literally built this one in a separate browser tab while I was actively taking notes in a meeting) I say three minutes because my first message in https://gist.github.com/simonw/c2b0c42cd1541d6ed6bfe5c17d638039 https://gist.github.com/simonw/c2b0c42cd1541d6ed6bfe5c17d638... was at 2:45pm and the final reply from Claude was at 2:47pm.
      - what 2y ago
        Should probably add some time for finding the correct url for the jsqr library, since the LLM didn’t do that for you.
        simonw 2y ago
        Yeah, add another minute for that. It was pretty easy to spot - I got a 404, so I searched jsdelivr for jsqr and dropped that in instead.
        deleted 2y ago
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      - tharant 2y ago
        That gist is pretty close to what I’ve been looking for; thank you! Examples of a chat session that resulted in a usable project are /very/ helpful. Unfortunately, the gist demonstrates, to me at least, that the models don’t know enough about the languages I wish to use. Those prompts might be sufficient enough to result in deployable HTML/JS code comprised of a couple hundred lines of code but that’s fairly trivial in my definition. I’m not trying to be rude or disrespectful to you; within my environment, non-trivial projects typically involve an entire microservice doing even mildly interesting business logic and offering some kind of API or integration with another, similarly non-trivial API—usually both. And they’re typically built on languages that are compiled either to libraries/executables or they’re compiled to bytecode for the JVM/CLR. Again, I’m not trying to be disrespectful. You’ve built some really great stuff and I appreciate you sharing your experiences; I wish I knew some of the things you do—you keep writing about your experiences and I’ll keep reading ‘em, we can learn together. The problem is that I’m beginning to recognize that these models are perhaps not nearly ready for the kinds of work I want or need to do, and I’m feeling a bit bummed that the capabilities the industry currently touts are significantly more overhyped than I’d imagined.
- farts_mckensy 2y ago
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HaZeust 2y ago

Millions of laypersons a month search "convert (file type) to (file type) online" and just smack an AdWords embed on their site for it. Millions of people want a QR code's embedded link in their camera roll, without access to a camera that's pointing at it. You'd be surprised how big the "(simple task) online" search query market is, and how much they are usually multi-visit monthly customers, and how much their ad space is worth. I cannot stress this enough, just because it's simple does not mean it's not lucrative.

inexcf 2y ago
You should do it then. Besides all of this is completely besides the point. This isnt useful for a programmer. These examples are barely useful for a layperson. And said layperson is paying money and time for this.
- farts_mckensy 2y ago
  The goal posts keep shifting. It's so obvious to anyone who's paid attention to this space for a few years.
  - tharant 2y ago
    Goalposts shift; growth is critical to being (staying?) an intelligent species.
  - inexcf 2y ago
    Except my goalposts never shifted. And my point stands, these are extremely trivial examples.
- HaZeust 2y ago
  I have, that's how I'm telling you the way you can, too.
  - inexcf 2y ago
    Any way or intention to prove that? Wheres you "convert (filetype) project"? Not to attack you but from your profile it sounds more like your the typical marketing grifter talking big. Why is none of those projects in the list you mention there? Looking deeper you got lots of projects with parts of your websites just broken and seem to be peddling what looks like life insurance scams.

simonw 2y ago

I'd like to see a beginner build this: https://tools.simonwillison.net/openai-audio https://tools.simonwillison.net/openai-audio

inexcf 2y ago
It's definitely not as trivial as the json converter. But not anywhere even close to complex. Recording audio is very simple, calling a remote API is too. The complex part is encoding the WAV blob. But that is just knowledge about the format with the exact code snippet that claude uses found in the first stack overflow answer. And it is strange that Claude picked the AudioRecorder when the MediaRecorder exists. I'd wager a beginner would have used the latter(i don't use javascript and am not better than a beginner in any way, but i found that) since it outputs a straight wav file and doesn't need the encoding step. And since the data isn't streamed to OpenAI there's no need for the audio chunks that AudioRecorder provides. So Claude did it in an unnecessarily complex way, that doesn't make the problem complex.