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No, the reason that more men succeed in committing suicide is because the men who try are actually serious about it. Women who "attempt suicide" are often send

No, the reason that more men succeed in committing suicide is because the men who try are actually serious about it. Women who "attempt suicide" are often sending out a cry for help. The people who half-heartedly try something need and want the attention. They want to make a mess and have people rush in and care for them. They want to put a punctuation mark on the drama that is occurring in their life and elicit some change. The men who are shooting themselves just want to get out of their suffering and finish themselves off. They don't want more attention or more help. It's sometimes not easy to slink off and quietly commit suicide before someone intervenes. Someone who succeeds in this task is "dead serious" about dying, not summoning help, or causing more drama. That's the whole reasoning behind the methods and the severity of attempts. Perhaps there is a gender divide, but only because of the differing motives and end goals.

zosima 2y ago
I fail to see why this is downvoted. Many suicide attempts, especially by women, are obviously not serious but rather a cry for help. This is well-known and obvious to anyone having experience with these patients. Male suicide attempts are on average more serious and generally a lot more succesful. And that is with or without access to guns.
- grayhatter 2y ago
  > I fail to see why this is downvoted. it's missing the point of the refutation. It's also needless demeaning. it's also wrong. As a rule, a suicide attempt is always to end or reduce their suffering. (even 'fake attempts' where the self harm behavior is primarily attention seeking with something obviously not lethal) > Many suicide attempts, especially by women, are obviously not serious but rather a cry for help. This is well-known and obvious to anyone having experience with these patients. This is only true when you are including 'apparent attempts, with actual attempts. The desire to die is often fleeting, if you choose a quick acting method such as guns, you're not given a chance to change your mind. If you choose to overdose, you're given the opportunity to reconsider, and because it's not instantly fatal, you're able to seek help. This is well known and obvious to anyone working with these patients. It's also taught in every single therapeutic psych class I've even had, that disregarding the experiences in the way you describe it is actively harmful, so I really hope you're not currently working with these patients if that's the most compassion and patience you're able to evoke. > Male suicide attempts are on average more serious and generally a lot more succesful. And that is with or without access to guns. This isn't something I've heard (but I'm also no longer in psych) do you have a citation I might be able to search for, (other than the obvious keywords?)

zosima 2y ago

I fail to see why this is downvoted. Many suicide attempts, especially by women, are obviously not serious but rather a cry for help. This is well-known and obvious to anyone having experience with these patients. Male suicide attempts are on average more serious and generally a lot more succesful. And that is with or without access to guns.

grayhatter 2y ago
> I fail to see why this is downvoted. it's missing the point of the refutation. It's also needless demeaning. it's also wrong. As a rule, a suicide attempt is always to end or reduce their suffering. (even 'fake attempts' where the self harm behavior is primarily attention seeking with something obviously not lethal) > Many suicide attempts, especially by women, are obviously not serious but rather a cry for help. This is well-known and obvious to anyone having experience with these patients. This is only true when you are including 'apparent attempts, with actual attempts. The desire to die is often fleeting, if you choose a quick acting method such as guns, you're not given a chance to change your mind. If you choose to overdose, you're given the opportunity to reconsider, and because it's not instantly fatal, you're able to seek help. This is well known and obvious to anyone working with these patients. It's also taught in every single therapeutic psych class I've even had, that disregarding the experiences in the way you describe it is actively harmful, so I really hope you're not currently working with these patients if that's the most compassion and patience you're able to evoke. > Male suicide attempts are on average more serious and generally a lot more succesful. And that is with or without access to guns. This isn't something I've heard (but I'm also no longer in psych) do you have a citation I might be able to search for, (other than the obvious keywords?)