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I am from the era of the beginning of emails. I wrote a couple of letters, but most of it was emails. So I'm more impacted by the next thing. Going from email
by OptionOfT 2y ago
I am from the era of the beginning of emails. I wrote a couple of letters, but most of it was emails.
So I'm more impacted by the next thing. Going from email to chat. And I think it is absolutely horrible. Before, it used to be that one thoughtfully wrote down and email and sent it out. Now I am part of 2432 Slack channels in which each message can become its own thread and I (I wanted to capitalize it to emphasize that it is me, but it already is) am responsible for filtering out what is important to me.
When I dealt with emails I would get emails that weren't meant for me, but it was a whole different level of volume.
- ddulaney 2y agoI find that for me, it’s the opposite. It’s very fast to scan a Slack channel and only dig into interesting threads. But I get CC’d on endless emails that aren’t meant for me, to the tune of dozens per day. And I don’t have any way to unsubscribe — I can mute a thread or a whole channel in Slack, but there’s no equivalent once I’m CC’d.
- hyggetrold 2y agoEmail filters me son.
- ddulaney 2y agoOK maybe I don't know how to do this right. I do that for automated systems, but do you filter entire conversations? Like, I'm on some random email thread, and dozens of people are replying. Making a rule feels pretty heavyweight and isn't quick (at least in Outlook).
- hyggetrold 2y agoIf I have to, I have to - if it's going to persist for days, I don't want that noise.
- Symbiote 2y agoThunderbird can do this, although I haven't used it myself. (And I realize not many people use Thunderbird for work.) https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/ignore-threads https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/ignore-threads
- adra 2y agoI just installed it today because I was tired of apple mails mandate that I must block remote files 100% if the time (forcing me to click each time I want to see "load remote content") or let every random email I receive and preview have user tracked remote content (or the zero click bad stuff..). Thunderbird is much better at making this a balanced approach that's works well for me!
- vleaflet 2y agoAnd there is always at least one person in email chain who puts their signature with company logo, custom fonts and colors to every single reply, making it annoying to try follow the conversation because my email client can't even parse the mess anymore.
- llm_trw 2y agoSounds like you need an old school email client. May I suggest gnus?
- ddulaney 2y agoUnfortunately, emails (at least in my context) are rich text, and they pretty frequently include images that I care about. I don't think gnus can handle that, given that it looks CLI-only. But also, it looks like I'd have to do some substantial elisp work to get filtering, etc. working. This is starting to sound like way more work than hitting Ignore on a Slack thread. Maybe it's great once you get it set up, and assuming nobody sends you rich text where you care about the formatting?
- jhbadger 2y agoMany, many places (even academia, not just businesses) only allow Outlook to be used as an email client "for security" these days -- they actually go out of their way to disable POP and IMAP access and even use Microsoft's authentication system to get access. I've been using email for close to 40 years at this point, and I actually did use Emacs as my e-mail client in the 1990s, but that hasn't been possible anywhere I've worked for close to two decades at this point.
- Symbiote 2y agoThunderbird supports what Microsoft call "Modern Authentication" for MS365. I'm not sure if that's enough, or if the administrator can still block Thunderbird.
- crazygringo 2y agoIf you use Gmail, press m to mute a thread. That's the equivalent. It's a godsend, I can't imagine an e-mail client without it.
- Brajeshwar 2y agoFilter all emails CC-ed to you—label them and mark them as read. You can go through them real fast on Fridays if you missed anything that needs your attention, but most do not (they cc-ed you). If you missed one and someone asked why, well, it was not addressed to you directly. I hope this is an acceptable compromise.
- sigseg1v 2y agoFor some reason the most annoying discussions I am in are not in channels but in "group direct messages". Lots of them have 5+ people and spam discussions that are completely unrelated to me. There is no leave button. Muting is problematic because they have no topic and in 2 months if the same person wants to message a group of people, it will reuse the same group DM for a different message (eg. one month it's about if we have pictures of dogs to share for the internal blog and the next it's info about something urgent from HR).
- ddulaney 2y agoOh gawd the worst. Where I work was acquired, so there’s a mixture of Slack and Teams. Because Teams threading sucks so much, people there get in the habit of doing everything in group DMs. It’s as bad as emails.
- colechristensen 2y agoAt the beginning of my career, I wrote emails. Nobody read them. I stopped.
- euroderf 2y agoPossibly related: overuse of CC and BCC is a bad habit and puts people off.
- makeitdouble 2y ago> for filtering out what is important to me. I see it going the way of the email: we have these optimistic "inbox 0" kind of veleity, but after a week most people understand their life will be eaten by email at that pace and just accept an overflowing inbox where they'll willfully ignore 99.9%, including legit communication if it doesn't hit the appropriate filter. Ignoring 99.9% of what's happening in all the dozens of Slack channels is probably the way: if there was anything important it's up to the sender to make it clear and reach it's audience. That might not be the ideal way, but the reverse just won't work anyway.
- eternityforest 2y agoIt's kind of the same issue that happened when everyone moved from forums to social media
- euroderf 2y agoAt my last job I simply refused to go onto Slack, and I had an argument/gripe prepared whenever I was asked. Be nice about it, sound sensible about it, you might get away with it. Distraction is the enemy, Flow is the friend.
- ericmcer 2y agoI like Slack because you are not responsible for any single message unless you are specifically called out in it. Emails were each little todos that sat in your inbox until you addressed them. If you are feeling good you can engage in a spirited thread about some issue, but if you are having an off day you can just give it a quick read and move on.