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> He was stabbed by a knife. Do let's not talk about why, let's just make it harder to get a knife, since that is how he died. > [The] issue is that an impres
by grayhatter 2y ago
> He was stabbed by a knife. Do let's not talk about why, let's just make it harder to get a knife, since that is how he died.
> [The] issue is that an impressionable youth was talked into suicide by an LLM and nobody stopped it.
Right, that is the issue. Except, I disagree there's enough evidence for a reasonable person to conclude that the chatbot talked him into shooting himself. Where as there is plenty of evidence that a child with symptoms of depression had uncontrolled access to a loaded firearm.
But to the strawman representation of my argument, let's talk about both?
Unless the chatbot suggested he should kill himself, I don't think the chatbot is the problem in this example. Did it? or did it just repeat a banal agreement to some non-violent fantasy? Then, if my assumption is correct, that the chatbot didn't try to talk him into it. What other steps are there that could have prevented this suicide?
- dmitrygr 2y ago> What other steps are there that could have prevented this suicide? Parenting and bans on all girlfriend/boyfriend like LLMs for under-18s, like we control access to other dangerous and mind altering substances and objects.
- grayhatter 2y agoI don't think I'm ever going to agree to the argument that access to information should be banned. But hypothetically is this ban just for people under 18? What about the other risks? The vast majority of phishing targets are old generations? Would you say we should also ban access to LLMs to people over 55 as well? If someone could talked into suicide, they could probably also be talked into into drinking, shouldn't that ban on LLMs extend to 21?
- dmitrygr 2y agoWe allow adults agency and that should stay IMHO