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As they should. It's trivial to install these and is safer across the board for everyone, cops included. It's cheaper too. Not to mention without cops pre-occup

As they should. It's trivial to install these and is safer across the board for everyone, cops included. It's cheaper too. Not to mention without cops pre-occupied with simple traffic violations, they can commit to more elaborate operations. It's easy to catch someone speeding, it's a lot harder to crack down on, say, cat thefts.

tptacek 2y ago
A fun thing I learned only this year: in Illinois, you need a population exceeding 1,000,000 residents to install traffic enforcement cameras (the kind that automatically issue tickets). If we could roll out red light cameras villagewide, I'd sign on.
- qingcharles 2y ago
  Yeah, there's a surprising number of laws in Illinois that have that >1m barrier to make them only apply to Chicago/Cook County. I remember when the bodycams were coming in, Chicago fell under one of those >1m exemptions which I think gave them more time to implement?
MisterTea 2y ago
> It's trivial to install these and is safer across the board for everyone, cops included. I dont know about that. My block in NYC in a school zone had a lot of people speeding along so the city installed a speed camera. It didn't seem to do much because people instantly learned it was there, slowed down, then gas it hard the next block. And that is the story with every speed camera: people learn where they are, do the brake pedal dance, then gas it. I honestly believe they do close to nothing except make the contractors wealthy. As for the camera on my block: the city got smart and took it down less than two years after it went up. In its place they installed all-way stop signs on two consecutive corners. A low tech solution involving a few sheet metal signs bolted to a metal pole. They work better but there are still jackasses who gas it after the second sign. Jerks going to be jerks.

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As they should. It's trivial to install these and is safer across the board for everyone, cops included. It's cheaper too. Not to mention without cops pre-occup

by consteval 2y ago

tptacek 2y ago
A fun thing I learned only this year: in Illinois, you need a population exceeding 1,000,000 residents to install traffic enforcement cameras (the kind that automatically issue tickets). If we could roll out red light cameras villagewide, I'd sign on.
- qingcharles 2y ago
  Yeah, there's a surprising number of laws in Illinois that have that >1m barrier to make them only apply to Chicago/Cook County. I remember when the bodycams were coming in, Chicago fell under one of those >1m exemptions which I think gave them more time to implement?
MisterTea 2y ago
> It's trivial to install these and is safer across the board for everyone, cops included. I dont know about that. My block in NYC in a school zone had a lot of people speeding along so the city installed a speed camera. It didn't seem to do much because people instantly learned it was there, slowed down, then gas it hard the next block. And that is the story with every speed camera: people learn where they are, do the brake pedal dance, then gas it. I honestly believe they do close to nothing except make the contractors wealthy. As for the camera on my block: the city got smart and took it down less than two years after it went up. In its place they installed all-way stop signs on two consecutive corners. A low tech solution involving a few sheet metal signs bolted to a metal pole. They work better but there are still jackasses who gas it after the second sign. Jerks going to be jerks.