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Good! This idea that businesses should be free to fleece the stupid and under educated with obtuse contract phraseology and walls of text that have managed to i

Good! This idea that businesses should be free to fleece the stupid and under educated with obtuse contract phraseology and walls of text that have managed to include things like "the soul of your first born" because nobody can reasonably be expected read and understand the full thing is just asinine, naked failure of the government to protect people from predatory business practices. Caveat Emptor should not mean "They can make the contract literally inscrutable and then you just have to go get fucked". There's nothing wrong with reasonable consumer protections and required default warranties that CANNOT be discharged by a TOS. You shouldn't have to take a second job to understand whether you are signing away your soul when signing up for a damn credit card.

imchillyb 2y ago
Legalese is about specificity. How does being less precise assist understanding with specificity? I cannot, in a contract, just refer to a street address. For reasons of specificity, I must state where the survey marker corner is located -exactly- and then detail how many feet from that in a direction, etc. These long descriptions ensure that there are no misunderstandings later. The verbiage of these contracts have grown more specific through use. People, or companies, wiggle out of things and new contract language is invented to prevent such wiggle-room in the future. How would one go about accomplishing a 'dumbing down' of a contract, without losing the anti-wiggle specificity? Also, I really like that word. Say it with me, please: 'specificity.' Neat.
- indymike 2y ago
  > How would one go about accomplishing a 'dumbing down' of a contract Perhaps go with the UCC default and not try to have the buyer opt out of every specific consumer right. The longer the contract, the more one party is probably being screwed with great specificity.

imchillyb 2y ago

Legalese is about specificity. How does being less precise assist understanding with specificity? I cannot, in a contract, just refer to a street address. For reasons of specificity, I must state where the survey marker corner is located -exactly- and then detail how many feet from that in a direction, etc. These long descriptions ensure that there are no misunderstandings later. The verbiage of these contracts have grown more specific through use. People, or companies, wiggle out of things and new contract language is invented to prevent such wiggle-room in the future. How would one go about accomplishing a 'dumbing down' of a contract, without losing the anti-wiggle specificity? Also, I really like that word. Say it with me, please: 'specificity.' Neat.

indymike 2y ago
> How would one go about accomplishing a 'dumbing down' of a contract Perhaps go with the UCC default and not try to have the buyer opt out of every specific consumer right. The longer the contract, the more one party is probably being screwed with great specificity.