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I haven't used android in a while, how is it different?

by dbtc 2y ago

nobody9999 2y ago
LineageOS[0] (and/or other non-Google OS)+F-Droid[1] (and/or other third-party app stores) allow you to avoid Google altogether. Which is nothing new. Is that possible with IOS to avoid Apple? I think not. [0] https://lineageos.org/ https://lineageos.org/ [1] https://f-droid.org/en/ https://f-droid.org/en/ Edit: Clarified my question as to what's possible with IOS.
- deleted 2y ago
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- dbtc 2y ago
  Fair point. I am glad these projects exist in case I do actually want to avoid Apple at some point.
literalAardvark 2y ago
It's worse in every way, unless you're using a ROM, in which case it's worse in every way and your applications also refuse to start because Google's Remote Attestation service doesn't like you being free (despite Android technically having a better way to do attestation).
- nobody9999 2y ago
  >your applications also refuse to start because Google's Remote Attestation service doesn't like you being free I've heard that from a number of folks on various forums, although I have not experienced that myself. No one has forced me to use such an app. Probably because I'd rather have my tonsils extracted through my ears than do anything financially related on my device. Perhaps I'm just curmudgeonly and set in my ways, or perhaps my 25+ years of professional infosec experience tells me that these devices (brand/version/OS is irrelevant) are hopelessly insecure and shouldn't be used for anything important. I'm guessing probably a bit of both.
  - literalAardvark 2y ago
    I mean... Even Uber used to complain. That being said with the exception of Qubes desktop devices are dramatically less secure than Graphene, so unless you're foregoing digital payments altogether I don't see how you could avoid some degree of risk.
    - nobody9999 2y ago
      > Even Uber used to complain. Why would I want to use anything from those scumbags? >That being said with the exception of Qubes desktop devices are dramatically less secure than Graphene, so unless you're foregoing digital payments altogether I don't see how you could avoid some degree of risk. You're talking out of your ass and it smells that way too. Yuck!
      - literalAardvark 2y ago
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I haven't used android in a while, how is it different?

by dbtc 2y ago

I haven't used android in a while, how is it different?

LineageOS[0] (and/or other non-Google OS)+F-Droid[1] (and/or other third-party app stores) allow you to avoid Google altogether. Which is nothing new. Is that possible with IOS to avoid Apple? I think not. [0] https://lineageos.org/ https://lineageos.org/ [1] https://f-droid.org/en/ https://f-droid.org/en/ Edit: Clarified my question as to what's possible with IOS.

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dbtc 2y ago
Fair point. I am glad these projects exist in case I do actually want to avoid Apple at some point.

literalAardvark 2y ago

It's worse in every way, unless you're using a ROM, in which case it's worse in every way and your applications also refuse to start because Google's Remote Attestation service doesn't like you being free (despite Android technically having a better way to do attestation).

nobody9999 2y ago
>your applications also refuse to start because Google's Remote Attestation service doesn't like you being free I've heard that from a number of folks on various forums, although I have not experienced that myself. No one has forced me to use such an app. Probably because I'd rather have my tonsils extracted through my ears than do anything financially related on my device. Perhaps I'm just curmudgeonly and set in my ways, or perhaps my 25+ years of professional infosec experience tells me that these devices (brand/version/OS is irrelevant) are hopelessly insecure and shouldn't be used for anything important. I'm guessing probably a bit of both.
- literalAardvark 2y ago
  I mean... Even Uber used to complain. That being said with the exception of Qubes desktop devices are dramatically less secure than Graphene, so unless you're foregoing digital payments altogether I don't see how you could avoid some degree of risk.
  - nobody9999 2y ago
    > Even Uber used to complain. Why would I want to use anything from those scumbags? >That being said with the exception of Qubes desktop devices are dramatically less secure than Graphene, so unless you're foregoing digital payments altogether I don't see how you could avoid some degree of risk. You're talking out of your ass and it smells that way too. Yuck!
    - literalAardvark 2y ago
      Username confirmed