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We'll check another website, no biggie

by botswana99 2y ago

brodouevencode 2y ago
Exactly this. The NYT ceased being the paper of record a long time ago.
- drawkward 2y ago
  [Citation missing]
  - CamperBob2 2y ago
    It's hard to get past their cheerleading for the Iraq war, for example.
    - pessimizer 2y ago
      It really wasn't. It wasn't difficult for anyone to get past their cheerleading for the Iraq War other than Judith Miller, who (for her service) was given a fake job at a fake conservative paper for a time that I'm sure paid her enough to retire comfortably. The Cheneys and Bushes are media and political darlings. No one paid a price for going with the herd, and doing what the administration demanded. It was and is difficult for people who failed to cheer on the Iraq War. The NYT has always been on the administration's side when asked, and "corrects" the record about 5 years after it could make a difference for anyone. Everyone involved gets cush editor-in-chief jobs at "liberal" magazines, or professorships at quarter-million dollar J-schools.
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    - drawkward 2y ago
      That doesn't make it not the paper of record.
      - taco_emoji 2y ago
        ok, what DOES make it the paper of record?
        drawkward 2y ago
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspaper_of_record https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspaper_of_record
        taco_emoji 2y ago
        ...which says that it's based on reputation. I presume the previous poster's opinion is that the NYT is no longer deserving of that reputation. It's weird that you asked for a citation of their opinion.
        drawkward 2y ago
        One person's opinion doesn't make it not the paper of record. It's more like a state change that requires some critical mass.
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    - g8oz 2y ago
      And the more recent example of "Screams without words". https://web.archive.org/web/20240817191751/https://www.semafor.com/article/03/03/2024/how-the-times-stumbled-on-a-sensitive-israel-story https://web.archive.org/web/20240817191751/https://www.semaf...
- delfinom 2y ago
  Shit they aren't even the "New York Times" anymore because they officially made their focus national and have jack shit for New York coverage.
bigstrat2003 2y ago
Even if every single news site went down on election night, it would be fine. People aren't gonna die if they don't find out who won the election until the next day or even the next week.
- drawkward 2y ago
  If every single news site went down, I would expect Trump to declare himself winner and put into motion a coup.
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    I mean, that happened without sites going down.
    - drawkward 2y ago
      Correct. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_coup https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_coup
  - pizzafeelsright 2y ago
    Follow that train of thought out of the station. With either candidate or entity. And then... Directs the military to strike on [target] and the military says "Not my Commander" and no strike is carried out. There is no Coup unless the powers are transferred. It cannot happen.
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      > the military says "Not my Commander" The President remains Commander in Chief for several months, from November until late January. (And now enjoys absolute immunity for official acts performed under that hat.) In such a case, it'd be a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-coup https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-coup
    - drawkward 2y ago
      Trump tried it already. I couldn't envision Harris even attempting it. Not all coups are military. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_coup https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_coup
sgc 2y ago
Given the disinformation campaign that will take place (at the very least from russian bots flooding social media), I would much prefer all sources of information be fully available throughout the election. Of course this is their highest leverage moment, but it is also critical for the future of the country (at the very least). It is somewhat akin to ambulance drivers choosing to go on strike on Memorial day weekend. I am not a fan of the tactic, since they could strike any other time and get the same thing, perhaps striking 2 days more than they would have to at this time.
- nemomarx 2y ago
  Then management might want to offer a compelling deal before the day of, right? Ideally high leverage strike doesn't even have to be carried out.
ForHackernews 2y ago
It might be a biggie for NYT management, that's how labor negotiation works.

We'll check another website, no biggie

brodouevencode 2y ago

Exactly this. The NYT ceased being the paper of record a long time ago.

drawkward 2y ago
[Citation missing]
- CamperBob2 2y ago
  It's hard to get past their cheerleading for the Iraq war, for example.
  - pessimizer 2y ago
    It really wasn't. It wasn't difficult for anyone to get past their cheerleading for the Iraq War other than Judith Miller, who (for her service) was given a fake job at a fake conservative paper for a time that I'm sure paid her enough to retire comfortably. The Cheneys and Bushes are media and political darlings. No one paid a price for going with the herd, and doing what the administration demanded. It was and is difficult for people who failed to cheer on the Iraq War. The NYT has always been on the administration's side when asked, and "corrects" the record about 5 years after it could make a difference for anyone. Everyone involved gets cush editor-in-chief jobs at "liberal" magazines, or professorships at quarter-million dollar J-schools.
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
  - drawkward 2y ago
    That doesn't make it not the paper of record.
    - taco_emoji 2y ago
      ok, what DOES make it the paper of record?
      - drawkward 2y ago
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspaper_of_record https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspaper_of_record
        taco_emoji 2y ago
        ...which says that it's based on reputation. I presume the previous poster's opinion is that the NYT is no longer deserving of that reputation. It's weird that you asked for a citation of their opinion.
        drawkward 2y ago
        One person's opinion doesn't make it not the paper of record. It's more like a state change that requires some critical mass.
      - deleted 2y ago
        [deleted]
  - g8oz 2y ago
    And the more recent example of "Screams without words". https://web.archive.org/web/20240817191751/https://www.semafor.com/article/03/03/2024/how-the-times-stumbled-on-a-sensitive-israel-story https://web.archive.org/web/20240817191751/https://www.semaf...
delfinom 2y ago
Shit they aren't even the "New York Times" anymore because they officially made their focus national and have jack shit for New York coverage.

bigstrat2003 2y ago

Even if every single news site went down on election night, it would be fine. People aren't gonna die if they don't find out who won the election until the next day or even the next week.

drawkward 2y ago
If every single news site went down, I would expect Trump to declare himself winner and put into motion a coup.
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  I mean, that happened without sites going down.
  - drawkward 2y ago
    Correct. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_coup https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_coup
- pizzafeelsright 2y ago
  Follow that train of thought out of the station. With either candidate or entity. And then... Directs the military to strike on [target] and the military says "Not my Commander" and no strike is carried out. There is no Coup unless the powers are transferred. It cannot happen.
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    > the military says "Not my Commander" The President remains Commander in Chief for several months, from November until late January. (And now enjoys absolute immunity for official acts performed under that hat.) In such a case, it'd be a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-coup https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-coup
  - drawkward 2y ago
    Trump tried it already. I couldn't envision Harris even attempting it. Not all coups are military. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_coup https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_coup

sgc 2y ago

Given the disinformation campaign that will take place (at the very least from russian bots flooding social media), I would much prefer all sources of information be fully available throughout the election. Of course this is their highest leverage moment, but it is also critical for the future of the country (at the very least). It is somewhat akin to ambulance drivers choosing to go on strike on Memorial day weekend. I am not a fan of the tactic, since they could strike any other time and get the same thing, perhaps striking 2 days more than they would have to at this time.

nemomarx 2y ago
Then management might want to offer a compelling deal before the day of, right? Ideally high leverage strike doesn't even have to be carried out.

ForHackernews 2y ago

It might be a biggie for NYT management, that's how labor negotiation works.