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Everyone thought I was crazy for thinking this thing would get no traction. People want to spend less time plugged into screens, not less.

Daedren 2y ago
Or they believe the price to be too high for beta-testing a first-gen Apple device.
- rchaud 2y ago
  Apple products have been successful specifically because they attract the mass market right away. Early adopters didn't use iPhones, they used HP iPaqs and Dell Axim PDAs running Windows Mobile. iPhones obsoleted them by simplifying the UI so anybody aged 8-80 could use it. If an Apple product seems like it's for 'early adopters', it's already failed.
breck 2y ago
> People want to spend less time plugged into screens, not less. Yes. I threw my phone away 2.5 years ago (after my 3yo daughter kept saying "no phone dadda") and it has made my life significantly better. Like living in the 1990's again. In a land of the distracted, the phoneless man is king. That being said, I think the AVP is very cool technology, and will have important applications in the years ahead. (Just not mass market for a long time, if ever)
whatever1 2y ago
We want more screens, just easier to use them. We are too lazy to even stand up to wear a headset. We want them in front of us all the time, everywhere, without moving a finger, instantly!
- yunohn 2y ago
  I’m perfectly fine with standing up to get and use anything. For me, the problem is that it’s a /headset/ and not something else - as they have a host of ergonomics and comfort issues, causes fatigue and headaches, closes me off from my environment (despite their pass through idea), etc.
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jeswin 2y ago
> Everyone thought I was crazy for thinking this thing would get no traction. People want to spend less time plugged into screens, not less Almost everyone I know (and people here on HN) thought this would be niche at $3500. But that doesn't mean people don't want to be plugged into screens. They totally are plugged into screens - just not Vision Pro.
- ghusto 2y ago
  > They totally are plugged into screens I've seen a backlash in recent years. Most notably amongst techies, ironically, but more recently in the general public. People are waking up.
  - bee_rider 2y ago
    Maybe? I dunno. I’m tired of my current screens. But I want better ones. I want mass market e-ink monitor and a pair of VR glasses that look like actual glasses. We’re halfway to 2030, where’s the future? I’m still using a laptop, we’ve had those for decades, what gives?
    - cableshaft 2y ago
      > a pair of VR glasses that look like actual glasses It's getting closer to that, but not quite there yet. There's Bigscreen Beyond out already, and the Immersed Visor is coming up, and they're a lot closer to that than Quest 3 or Apple Vision Pro to glasses (but also either less powerful and/or more expensive). https://www.bigscreenvr.com/ https://www.bigscreenvr.com/ https://mixed-news.com/en/immersed-visor-next-gen-xr-headset-is-unique/ https://mixed-news.com/en/immersed-visor-next-gen-xr-headset...
kasperni 2y ago
> Everyone thought I was crazy for thinking this thing would get no traction. I've yet to find someone who thought a $3500 headset would be a smash hit.
- mrguyorama 2y ago
  HN had fifty people in every thread swearing that nobody predicted the iPhone would be a success so we should all shut up and buy or else FOMO. It was constant and everywhere. Tens of posters who have apparently zero connection to the company Apple other than "They released the iPhone" as if they've never had a high profile flop, as if they've never had only okay sales of a product, as if they've never tried to change the world and failed miserably, as if Apple never misses. Because of a single damn product release. One time. At the crux of a phase change in the personal digital device world. Just, utterly divorced from reality. I feel like these posters are half of my company's management team.
  - rchaud 2y ago
    Not to mention the old canard of "Apple doesn't do things first, it does things right", implying AVP success was inevitable, and the chattering classes were too dumb to see it.
- rchaud 2y ago
  Read some of the previous threads. There are hundreds of comments of people inventing use cases, that's how bad people want this to succeed. The problem is Apple's ecosystem for AVP is designed around consumer services like Apple TV, rather than the sci-fi fantasies of the average HN reader.
duxup 2y ago
I don't think I saw anyone (media talking heads looking for engagement do not count) who said this product would be popular.
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ideashower 2y ago
AVP user here who is wanting to get less plugged into screens. What I really mean by that though, is that I want to make my screen time more meaningful. I don’t want to mindlessly scroll, like I often find myself doing, or like I see others doing in places like grocery store lines or on the subway. The Apple Vision Pro is a very expensive, specialized device. When I use it, it's mostly to watch movies, TV shows, or other immersive content, but it’s still mainly just for entertainment. But I can't just sit in it and disassociate the same way I might my phone--I don't feel that it's built that way. As for getting no traction, yeah that's correct. It's too expensive. I still love mine.

Daedren 2y ago

Or they believe the price to be too high for beta-testing a first-gen Apple device.

rchaud 2y ago
Apple products have been successful specifically because they attract the mass market right away. Early adopters didn't use iPhones, they used HP iPaqs and Dell Axim PDAs running Windows Mobile. iPhones obsoleted them by simplifying the UI so anybody aged 8-80 could use it. If an Apple product seems like it's for 'early adopters', it's already failed.

breck 2y ago

> People want to spend less time plugged into screens, not less. Yes. I threw my phone away 2.5 years ago (after my 3yo daughter kept saying "no phone dadda") and it has made my life significantly better. Like living in the 1990's again. In a land of the distracted, the phoneless man is king. That being said, I think the AVP is very cool technology, and will have important applications in the years ahead. (Just not mass market for a long time, if ever)

whatever1 2y ago

We want more screens, just easier to use them. We are too lazy to even stand up to wear a headset. We want them in front of us all the time, everywhere, without moving a finger, instantly!

yunohn 2y ago
I’m perfectly fine with standing up to get and use anything. For me, the problem is that it’s a /headset/ and not something else - as they have a host of ergonomics and comfort issues, causes fatigue and headaches, closes me off from my environment (despite their pass through idea), etc.

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jeswin 2y ago

> Everyone thought I was crazy for thinking this thing would get no traction. People want to spend less time plugged into screens, not less Almost everyone I know (and people here on HN) thought this would be niche at $3500. But that doesn't mean people don't want to be plugged into screens. They totally are plugged into screens - just not Vision Pro.

ghusto 2y ago
> They totally are plugged into screens I've seen a backlash in recent years. Most notably amongst techies, ironically, but more recently in the general public. People are waking up.
- bee_rider 2y ago
  Maybe? I dunno. I’m tired of my current screens. But I want better ones. I want mass market e-ink monitor and a pair of VR glasses that look like actual glasses. We’re halfway to 2030, where’s the future? I’m still using a laptop, we’ve had those for decades, what gives?
  - cableshaft 2y ago
    > a pair of VR glasses that look like actual glasses It's getting closer to that, but not quite there yet. There's Bigscreen Beyond out already, and the Immersed Visor is coming up, and they're a lot closer to that than Quest 3 or Apple Vision Pro to glasses (but also either less powerful and/or more expensive). https://www.bigscreenvr.com/ https://www.bigscreenvr.com/ https://mixed-news.com/en/immersed-visor-next-gen-xr-headset-is-unique/ https://mixed-news.com/en/immersed-visor-next-gen-xr-headset...

kasperni 2y ago

> Everyone thought I was crazy for thinking this thing would get no traction. I've yet to find someone who thought a $3500 headset would be a smash hit.

mrguyorama 2y ago
HN had fifty people in every thread swearing that nobody predicted the iPhone would be a success so we should all shut up and buy or else FOMO. It was constant and everywhere. Tens of posters who have apparently zero connection to the company Apple other than "They released the iPhone" as if they've never had a high profile flop, as if they've never had only okay sales of a product, as if they've never tried to change the world and failed miserably, as if Apple never misses. Because of a single damn product release. One time. At the crux of a phase change in the personal digital device world. Just, utterly divorced from reality. I feel like these posters are half of my company's management team.
- rchaud 2y ago
  Not to mention the old canard of "Apple doesn't do things first, it does things right", implying AVP success was inevitable, and the chattering classes were too dumb to see it.
rchaud 2y ago
Read some of the previous threads. There are hundreds of comments of people inventing use cases, that's how bad people want this to succeed. The problem is Apple's ecosystem for AVP is designed around consumer services like Apple TV, rather than the sci-fi fantasies of the average HN reader.

duxup 2y ago

I don't think I saw anyone (media talking heads looking for engagement do not count) who said this product would be popular.

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ideashower 2y ago

AVP user here who is wanting to get less plugged into screens. What I really mean by that though, is that I want to make my screen time more meaningful. I don’t want to mindlessly scroll, like I often find myself doing, or like I see others doing in places like grocery store lines or on the subway. The Apple Vision Pro is a very expensive, specialized device. When I use it, it's mostly to watch movies, TV shows, or other immersive content, but it’s still mainly just for entertainment. But I can't just sit in it and disassociate the same way I might my phone--I don't feel that it's built that way. As for getting no traction, yeah that's correct. It's too expensive. I still love mine.