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that's a good question, this hurts the US by enabling China to decouple itself from the US. Thus Once they make their own OS and have apps joining in their own

that's a good question, this hurts the US by enabling China to decouple itself from the US. Thus Once they make their own OS and have apps joining in their own app store, they can expand their markets and compete on OS. It may seem ridiculous now, but in 10 years it will be a serious OS and you can have all the apps in a .apk file that exist on android already working on their OS. Everytime the US introduces a restriction you are making them self sufficient(see how they are making their own Chips and own space station because of restriction on ISS) which in the long term is more sustainable for a country since they are not dependent on other countries and international order if things go really bad a self sufficient country is on top(see China is the sole manufacturing superpower by from the center of economic policy research).

exe34 2y ago
tbh I like the idea of a multipolar world - a lot of our biggest achievements came as a result of the cold war. it also forces some redundancy into the mechanisms of running a technological world - a disaster that affects one of the two or three polities may well leave enough stuff working that civilisation doesn't need to collapse completely. a world where everything depends on everything else working correctly is a bit more fragile than I would like.
- durumu 2y ago
  I think it's not clear which way that effect goes -- the Cold War was also the closest humanity has ever come to destroying itself. If all nations depend on each other, there's less nuclear conflict risk and less risk of war in general.
  - exe34 2y ago
    now that we've allowed Ukraine to suffer the consequences of trusting us with their defence in exchange for their old nukes, I expect nuclear proliferation to be inevitable and thus a nuclear exchange within our lifetimes isn't off the table. the worse is ahead of us, cold war or not.
amenhotep 2y ago
This could be a ten year old post about Nordstream with a little tweaking. Autocracies will pursue their goals regardless of "coupling", China is not going to be influenced by whether the Google Play Store is available.
- kyleee 2y ago
  It may accelerate their decisions though.
audunw 2y ago
All these things were gonna happen anyway. Or if not these things then China would aim to dominate in some other field. You think the capital allocated to these projects would otherwise sit idle? I don’t see any problems here 1. After China made a turn toward authoritarianism with Xi, decoupling - especially on the telecom side - is a hard requirement. They are objectively a huge national security risk. 2. Competition is healthy. I don’t see any problems with having another space race or another OS competing on the international arena. 3. I’m not too worried about China threatening USA in the long run anyway. USA still attracts the best talent from all over the world, many of which end up settling there long term. (I’m not American, so saying this as an outsider). You cannot become a citizen in China, and that’s unlikely to change in an ultra-nationalist authoritarian leadership. There’s so many factors (ultra-nationalism, changing demographics, less foreign investments, capital flight, overhead of doing everything themselves) that is slowly eroding Chinas economy.
- teyc 2y ago
  China is trying to learn the lessons from the fall of USSR as well as the general decline of the political discourse in the US, as well as the corruption of its politics.
dzonga 2y ago
not only that - the other downstream effect it gives other nations to play hardball with the US too - since they now have an alternative. say Iran gets sanctioned by the US that they can't access play store - with china's option, they don't have care about the play store. and with the web being more capable - no need for native app stores. same as those chips - before it was buying good chips from US or US ally's, next time those "rogue" nations can buy good quality chips from china.

exe34 2y ago

tbh I like the idea of a multipolar world - a lot of our biggest achievements came as a result of the cold war. it also forces some redundancy into the mechanisms of running a technological world - a disaster that affects one of the two or three polities may well leave enough stuff working that civilisation doesn't need to collapse completely. a world where everything depends on everything else working correctly is a bit more fragile than I would like.

durumu 2y ago
I think it's not clear which way that effect goes -- the Cold War was also the closest humanity has ever come to destroying itself. If all nations depend on each other, there's less nuclear conflict risk and less risk of war in general.
- exe34 2y ago
  now that we've allowed Ukraine to suffer the consequences of trusting us with their defence in exchange for their old nukes, I expect nuclear proliferation to be inevitable and thus a nuclear exchange within our lifetimes isn't off the table. the worse is ahead of us, cold war or not.

amenhotep 2y ago

This could be a ten year old post about Nordstream with a little tweaking. Autocracies will pursue their goals regardless of "coupling", China is not going to be influenced by whether the Google Play Store is available.

kyleee 2y ago
It may accelerate their decisions though.

audunw 2y ago

All these things were gonna happen anyway. Or if not these things then China would aim to dominate in some other field. You think the capital allocated to these projects would otherwise sit idle? I don’t see any problems here 1. After China made a turn toward authoritarianism with Xi, decoupling - especially on the telecom side - is a hard requirement. They are objectively a huge national security risk. 2. Competition is healthy. I don’t see any problems with having another space race or another OS competing on the international arena. 3. I’m not too worried about China threatening USA in the long run anyway. USA still attracts the best talent from all over the world, many of which end up settling there long term. (I’m not American, so saying this as an outsider). You cannot become a citizen in China, and that’s unlikely to change in an ultra-nationalist authoritarian leadership. There’s so many factors (ultra-nationalism, changing demographics, less foreign investments, capital flight, overhead of doing everything themselves) that is slowly eroding Chinas economy.

teyc 2y ago
China is trying to learn the lessons from the fall of USSR as well as the general decline of the political discourse in the US, as well as the corruption of its politics.

dzonga 2y ago

not only that - the other downstream effect it gives other nations to play hardball with the US too - since they now have an alternative. say Iran gets sanctioned by the US that they can't access play store - with china's option, they don't have care about the play store. and with the web being more capable - no need for native app stores. same as those chips - before it was buying good chips from US or US ally's, next time those "rogue" nations can buy good quality chips from china.