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> https://www.tomsguide.com/us/lenovo-thinkcentre-m710q-tiny,review-5501.html https://www.tomsguide.com/us/lenovo-thinkcentre-m710q-tiny,r... > ($449 to start;

> https://www.tomsguide.com/us/lenovo-thinkcentre-m710q-tiny,review-5501.html https://www.tomsguide.com/us/lenovo-thinkcentre-m710q-tiny,r... > ($449 to start; $729 as tested) So you bought it used for about one fourth the price. A pi 5 for one fourth its current price also sounds like a great value.

echoangle 2y ago
I don’t get this argument. If the goal is “buy the most power for a given budget”, how is “but you bought used!” a gotcha? As long as there are no used RasPis with better performance for the price, the used PC is still the better choice.
- diffeomorphism 2y ago
  There are no "gotchas" and I am trying to have a discussion not an argument. The point is that for evaluating a product people have different goals and thus get different value propositions. In particular, I think a pi is a fine product if you value stuff being new and well supported (this also applies in the comparison with other, more powerful SBCs for the same price). If you don't, that is perfectly fine. In the same vein, why do you prefer or not prefer your mini pc over some random, new n100 mini pc? I would argue that neither is strictly better and that reducing matters to "X is bad, period" is oversimplifying.
  - echoangle 2y ago
    Sorry for that, you’re right. For some applications, the RasPi is a good choice. I was just trying to make the point that for private use where price is important and other factors are secondary, a refurbished thin client is probably better than a Pi. And I prefer a refurbished thin client over a new n100 because for my application, the thin client I need is much cheaper than any n100 PC I could find.
scary-size 2y ago
Buy a Pi if you want a Pi. I was just answering a very simple question. Not arguing for either side. The parent comment already mentioned the (to me) most important point: > x86 means you can install whatever you want

echoangle 2y ago

I don’t get this argument. If the goal is “buy the most power for a given budget”, how is “but you bought used!” a gotcha? As long as there are no used RasPis with better performance for the price, the used PC is still the better choice.

diffeomorphism 2y ago
There are no "gotchas" and I am trying to have a discussion not an argument. The point is that for evaluating a product people have different goals and thus get different value propositions. In particular, I think a pi is a fine product if you value stuff being new and well supported (this also applies in the comparison with other, more powerful SBCs for the same price). If you don't, that is perfectly fine. In the same vein, why do you prefer or not prefer your mini pc over some random, new n100 mini pc? I would argue that neither is strictly better and that reducing matters to "X is bad, period" is oversimplifying.
- echoangle 2y ago
  Sorry for that, you’re right. For some applications, the RasPi is a good choice. I was just trying to make the point that for private use where price is important and other factors are secondary, a refurbished thin client is probably better than a Pi. And I prefer a refurbished thin client over a new n100 because for my application, the thin client I need is much cheaper than any n100 PC I could find.

scary-size 2y ago

Buy a Pi if you want a Pi. I was just answering a very simple question. Not arguing for either side. The parent comment already mentioned the (to me) most important point: > x86 means you can install whatever you want