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Also before they have something that's code was readable and people can see what the hell backdoors they have put. Now it's home run for surveillance

peoplefromibiza 2y ago
exactly how we can read the MacOS, Windows and all the Google apps code that are bundled with virtually every Android phone, right?
- wiseowise 2y ago
  Exactly how we can read source of Linux distros, GrapheneOS and multitude of other security focused Android forks, right.
  - peoplefromibiza 2y ago
    Thanks for your 0.001% solution (which included me when I had a lot of spare time) Now name a brand that sells grapheneOS phones
- ChocolateGod 2y ago
  If you live in the west and criticise your government, nothing happens. If you live in China and criticise your government, even in private, you can go missing or end up in a camp
  - snapcaster 2y ago
    This is very over simplified and glossing over a huge amount of political repression that happens in the west just because it's more sophisticated. Don't fool yourself into thinking you're free because you're not in China. You would realize this the second you go against any powerful interests
  - FooBarWidget 2y ago
    Try telling that to all those people punished for protesting against Gaza genocide. Not to mention Julian Assange.
    - ChocolateGod 2y ago
      Julian Assange was wanted for publishing confidential documents, not speaking out against the government.
      - FooBarWidget 2y ago
        Yes, publishing confidential documents that expose government crimes, including war crimes. On the one hand, people argue for things like free speech and human rights, but on the other hand, the same people play petty semantics games to cover up their own society's shortcomings. Are you truly a supporter of free speech and human rights, or are you just anti-$OTHER_GROUP? Behavior like this are actively harmful to the ideals of free speech and human rights.
        tzs 2y ago
        The documents Assange published also included lots of information on civilians in places like Afghanistan who had worked against groups like the Taliban. That put those people at risk of retaliation. It's not really very pro human rights to go around doxing the people who are working for human rights in those places. There was nothing in the government crimes or alleged crimes in the documents that needed to be released before the documents had been thoroughly reviewed and the information on people not involved redacted.
        ChocolateGod 2y ago
        > It's not really very pro human rights to go around doxing the people who are working for human rights in those places. There was nothing in the government crimes or alleged crimes in the documents that needed to be released before the documents had been thoroughly reviewed and the information on people not involved redacted. This is the big difference I see with the Edward Snowden case, the papers that published the leaked documents attempted to redact any information that could put people at risk. Assange and Wikileaks just went fuck it and didn't even try to stay politically neutral.
  - novolunt 2y ago
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  - peoplefromibiza 2y ago
    Nice try But I don't live in China Edit: anyway it's a false premise, China has 1.4 billion people living there, do you really think 1.4 billion people do not criticize ever the government? USA has the highest rate of incarceration per capita in the World, there a say that goes "the biggest prize a journalist can win it's not the Pulitzer, it's being killed by the CIA" the DoD is the largest emplyer in the world, NSA has the largest budget in the world, I do not believe it's all spent in defense (DoD used to be named department of war) and oversimplification doesn't really explain things it only keeps stereotypes alive IMO.
vachina 2y ago
At least now I can choose who to spy on me.
- bogwog 2y ago
  You mean that now you can choose who to give your data to for free. Everyone is spying on you.
  - vachina 2y ago
    No, instead of Five Eyes I’ve only One Eye on me.
jajko 2y ago
I'd say that if you were worried before that on Chinese phones running Android there is something malicious but having some open source variant somewhere was protecting you somehow... you weren't paying much attention in this space for last decade+

peoplefromibiza 2y ago

exactly how we can read the MacOS, Windows and all the Google apps code that are bundled with virtually every Android phone, right?

wiseowise 2y ago
Exactly how we can read source of Linux distros, GrapheneOS and multitude of other security focused Android forks, right.
- peoplefromibiza 2y ago
  Thanks for your 0.001% solution (which included me when I had a lot of spare time) Now name a brand that sells grapheneOS phones
ChocolateGod 2y ago
If you live in the west and criticise your government, nothing happens. If you live in China and criticise your government, even in private, you can go missing or end up in a camp
- snapcaster 2y ago
  This is very over simplified and glossing over a huge amount of political repression that happens in the west just because it's more sophisticated. Don't fool yourself into thinking you're free because you're not in China. You would realize this the second you go against any powerful interests
- FooBarWidget 2y ago
  Try telling that to all those people punished for protesting against Gaza genocide. Not to mention Julian Assange.
  - ChocolateGod 2y ago
    Julian Assange was wanted for publishing confidential documents, not speaking out against the government.
    - FooBarWidget 2y ago
      Yes, publishing confidential documents that expose government crimes, including war crimes. On the one hand, people argue for things like free speech and human rights, but on the other hand, the same people play petty semantics games to cover up their own society's shortcomings. Are you truly a supporter of free speech and human rights, or are you just anti-$OTHER_GROUP? Behavior like this are actively harmful to the ideals of free speech and human rights.
      - tzs 2y ago
        The documents Assange published also included lots of information on civilians in places like Afghanistan who had worked against groups like the Taliban. That put those people at risk of retaliation. It's not really very pro human rights to go around doxing the people who are working for human rights in those places. There was nothing in the government crimes or alleged crimes in the documents that needed to be released before the documents had been thoroughly reviewed and the information on people not involved redacted.
        ChocolateGod 2y ago
        > It's not really very pro human rights to go around doxing the people who are working for human rights in those places. There was nothing in the government crimes or alleged crimes in the documents that needed to be released before the documents had been thoroughly reviewed and the information on people not involved redacted. This is the big difference I see with the Edward Snowden case, the papers that published the leaked documents attempted to redact any information that could put people at risk. Assange and Wikileaks just went fuck it and didn't even try to stay politically neutral.
- novolunt 2y ago
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- peoplefromibiza 2y ago
  Nice try But I don't live in China Edit: anyway it's a false premise, China has 1.4 billion people living there, do you really think 1.4 billion people do not criticize ever the government? USA has the highest rate of incarceration per capita in the World, there a say that goes "the biggest prize a journalist can win it's not the Pulitzer, it's being killed by the CIA" the DoD is the largest emplyer in the world, NSA has the largest budget in the world, I do not believe it's all spent in defense (DoD used to be named department of war) and oversimplification doesn't really explain things it only keeps stereotypes alive IMO.

vachina 2y ago

At least now I can choose who to spy on me.

bogwog 2y ago
You mean that now you can choose who to give your data to for free. Everyone is spying on you.
- vachina 2y ago
  No, instead of Five Eyes I’ve only One Eye on me.

jajko 2y ago

I'd say that if you were worried before that on Chinese phones running Android there is something malicious but having some open source variant somewhere was protecting you somehow... you weren't paying much attention in this space for last decade+