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He didn't originate the idea, it's well known that DC is more efficient but has other serious hurdles. It often takes innovative and influential people to break

He didn't originate the idea, it's well known that DC is more efficient but has other serious hurdles. It often takes innovative and influential people to break the status quo. E.g. Elon and EVs.

pyrale 2y ago
> it's well known that DC is more efficient but has other serious hurdles. If it's well known but no one has done it, maybe there are reasons for it? Building long-distance lines is a very capital-intensive decision, and if the cost-benefit analysis was better, projects would be done. Looking by DOE's communication [1], we can see that the cost-benefit analysis doesn't look good now for a big network, but also that HVDC projects that actually make economic sense have been built for decades. Sure, sometimes innovative people make a big change, but what's the innovation there? [1]: https://www.energy.gov/oe/articles/connecting-country-hvdc https://www.energy.gov/oe/articles/connecting-country-hvdc
- gosub100 2y ago
  There absolutely are HVDC transmission lines under the sea. And capital intensive, revolutionary projects are ripe for disruption from people who have already pulled off similar feats, hence why it would make sense for a Google founder to take interest.
  - pyrale 2y ago
    > There absolutely are HVDC transmission lines under the sea. Not sure where you see me claiming the opposite? > And capital intensive, revolutionary projects are ripe for disruption from people who have already pulled off similar feats If Larry Page is looking to waste a few billions in cables, he's absolutely welcome to do it. One HVDC connection between France and the UK is private, for instance [1]. If he believes there's money to be made similarly in the US, he should go for it. That's not exactly the same offer as "Larry page has suggested the government should invest in expensive infrastructure for an industry he's never worked in". [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ElecLink https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ElecLink
    - gosub100 2y ago
      > Not sure where you see me claiming the opposite Hmm, maybe the part where you said "but no one has done it"? What is the point of this level of degeneracy in conversation?
tmtvl 2y ago
> E.g. Elon and EVs. Man, Nissan just gets no love at all. They did the EV thing before Elon ran X into the ground (the bank, not the website formerly known as Twitter): https://www.motortrend.com/features/nissan-leaf-ev-history-pioneer-future/ https://www.motortrend.com/features/nissan-leaf-ev-history-p...
- gosub100 2y ago
  The claim wasn't "Elon made the first-ever, mass-produced, street-legal 0 emissions vehicle powered by electricity.
- xp84 2y ago
  I have no dog in the EV race, but the Leaf never had an important impact in the USA at least. They were incredibly impractical due to their short range. I also never heard anyone say they were fast either, so I have to credit Musk with making the first BEV that was both widely useful and fun to drive, which were two things we didn’t believe EVs were back then.

He didn't originate the idea, it's well known that DC is more efficient but has other serious hurdles. It often takes innovative and influential people to break the status quo. E.g. Elon and EVs.

pyrale 2y ago

> it's well known that DC is more efficient but has other serious hurdles. If it's well known but no one has done it, maybe there are reasons for it? Building long-distance lines is a very capital-intensive decision, and if the cost-benefit analysis was better, projects would be done. Looking by DOE's communication [1], we can see that the cost-benefit analysis doesn't look good now for a big network, but also that HVDC projects that actually make economic sense have been built for decades. Sure, sometimes innovative people make a big change, but what's the innovation there? [1]: https://www.energy.gov/oe/articles/connecting-country-hvdc https://www.energy.gov/oe/articles/connecting-country-hvdc

gosub100 2y ago
There absolutely are HVDC transmission lines under the sea. And capital intensive, revolutionary projects are ripe for disruption from people who have already pulled off similar feats, hence why it would make sense for a Google founder to take interest.
- pyrale 2y ago
  > There absolutely are HVDC transmission lines under the sea. Not sure where you see me claiming the opposite? > And capital intensive, revolutionary projects are ripe for disruption from people who have already pulled off similar feats If Larry Page is looking to waste a few billions in cables, he's absolutely welcome to do it. One HVDC connection between France and the UK is private, for instance [1]. If he believes there's money to be made similarly in the US, he should go for it. That's not exactly the same offer as "Larry page has suggested the government should invest in expensive infrastructure for an industry he's never worked in". [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ElecLink https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ElecLink
  - gosub100 2y ago
    > Not sure where you see me claiming the opposite Hmm, maybe the part where you said "but no one has done it"? What is the point of this level of degeneracy in conversation?

tmtvl 2y ago

> E.g. Elon and EVs. Man, Nissan just gets no love at all. They did the EV thing before Elon ran X into the ground (the bank, not the website formerly known as Twitter): https://www.motortrend.com/features/nissan-leaf-ev-history-pioneer-future/ https://www.motortrend.com/features/nissan-leaf-ev-history-p...

gosub100 2y ago
The claim wasn't "Elon made the first-ever, mass-produced, street-legal 0 emissions vehicle powered by electricity.
xp84 2y ago
I have no dog in the EV race, but the Leaf never had an important impact in the USA at least. They were incredibly impractical due to their short range. I also never heard anyone say they were fast either, so I have to credit Musk with making the first BEV that was both widely useful and fun to drive, which were two things we didn’t believe EVs were back then.