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Historically that is simply untrue.

by farts_mckensy 2y ago

azemetre 2y ago
Then alternatively I suggest you read The Power Broker by Robert Caro and sire a child to lead the change you seek.
kelseyfrog 2y ago
Do we live in history or the present?
- farts_mckensy 2y ago
  Gee, wouldn't want people to think too hard. Better come up with a false dilemma.
  - kelseyfrog 2y ago
    What is it that people should be thinking about?
    - farts_mckensy 2y ago
      We study history in order to understand the present moment. So your question presents a false dilemma in an attempt to cut off historical analysis and blindly continue what you're doing without question. How is society actually shaped? If you believe it's by people simply "showing up," you are delusional.
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      - freshpots 2y ago
        I humbly disagree, at least at the local level. Get involved and you'll be surprised at how much you can do. Local clubs, like an Optimist Club or Lions Club volunteering for your community builds relationships. Many people involved are part of the community: business owners, politicians, accomplished/connected individuals, etc. Much of what affects you in a democracy is local and can be changed if you get involved. It is not just about checking some boxes every couple years.
mrguyorama 2y ago
America is as broken as it is because explicit Republican policy for 50 years has been "Don't let the government interfere with company activities" and Americans voted for that with all their might. Millions of registered democrats voted for Reagan, with his loud and clear "I'm going to make the government do less" policy, and his history of narcing on coworkers and friends to the "Commies are bad" witch hunt. Empirically, people who think the government has a duty to protect it's citizens from corporate raiding have not shown up to vote. The US has had 2 years of total democrat control during my entire life, plus a decade. For the most part it's people who are politically apathetic, as if letting the choice be made by only the most rabid political fans is a better option than making your mild opinion known. Or they swear that "both sides are the same" despite Congressional votes not being secret and "both sides" being trivially not the same on many very important issues. Elections have consequences. We got exactly what we voted for. Nearly all of this happened before the citizens united decision.

Historically that is simply untrue.

azemetre 2y ago

Then alternatively I suggest you read The Power Broker by Robert Caro and sire a child to lead the change you seek.

kelseyfrog 2y ago

Do we live in history or the present?

farts_mckensy 2y ago
Gee, wouldn't want people to think too hard. Better come up with a false dilemma.
- kelseyfrog 2y ago
  What is it that people should be thinking about?
  - farts_mckensy 2y ago
    We study history in order to understand the present moment. So your question presents a false dilemma in an attempt to cut off historical analysis and blindly continue what you're doing without question. How is society actually shaped? If you believe it's by people simply "showing up," you are delusional.
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - freshpots 2y ago
      I humbly disagree, at least at the local level. Get involved and you'll be surprised at how much you can do. Local clubs, like an Optimist Club or Lions Club volunteering for your community builds relationships. Many people involved are part of the community: business owners, politicians, accomplished/connected individuals, etc. Much of what affects you in a democracy is local and can be changed if you get involved. It is not just about checking some boxes every couple years.

mrguyorama 2y ago

America is as broken as it is because explicit Republican policy for 50 years has been "Don't let the government interfere with company activities" and Americans voted for that with all their might. Millions of registered democrats voted for Reagan, with his loud and clear "I'm going to make the government do less" policy, and his history of narcing on coworkers and friends to the "Commies are bad" witch hunt. Empirically, people who think the government has a duty to protect it's citizens from corporate raiding have not shown up to vote. The US has had 2 years of total democrat control during my entire life, plus a decade. For the most part it's people who are politically apathetic, as if letting the choice be made by only the most rabid political fans is a better option than making your mild opinion known. Or they swear that "both sides are the same" despite Congressional votes not being secret and "both sides" being trivially not the same on many very important issues. Elections have consequences. We got exactly what we voted for. Nearly all of this happened before the citizens united decision.