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Not a good idea for Linux to get involved in geopolitical drama. Any self-respecting maintainer will not come back after this. Linux might have a lot of devel

by snvzz 2y ago

Not a good idea for Linux to get involved in geopolitical drama. Any self-respecting maintainer will not come back after this. Linux might have a lot of developers, but has a hard time finding and retaining maintainers. This is not a good development.

type0 2y ago
It's not a geopolitical drama or melodrama, Linux Foundation needs to follow the laws of US where it's located. It's the same as any other American company
- riehwvfbk 2y ago
  Linux Foundation was never supposed to stifle collaboration in the kernel. They are supposed to be a way to support Linux in a tax-advantaged way, full stop. EFF should start a fork if any part of them still stands for what's in their name.
  - walterbell 2y ago
    What percentage of LF budget goes towards Linux?
  - account42 2y ago
    The EFF is also a US organization subject to the whims of the US government.
- sumanthvepa 2y ago
  I agree. It's not big deal. The Russian team can just fork the kernel, and manage it under their own legal structures. It's really not that hard. Indeed CentOS was maintained by just one person for many years. It's not a big deal for Linux either, the code in question is mostly for devices that are not sold in the west. So no loss there. That's the beauty of open source, you can say no to contributions for any reason whatsoever, and the contributor can fork your code and continue to develop it as they please.
- protomolecule 2y ago
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  - colejohnson66 2y ago
    Sanctions.
    - protomolecule 2y ago
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      - gerikson 2y ago
        Try the search function here! https://sanctionssearch.ofac.treas.gov/ https://sanctionssearch.ofac.treas.gov/
analognoise 2y ago
Most of the developers are paid by US companies. I don’t think this will really affect anything at all.
- red-iron-pine 2y ago
  IIRC the single biggest source of contributions are Intel, Google, RedHat, AMD, and Huewei. Not necessarily in that order. Something like 80-90% of said contributions are essentially corporate.
- homebrewer 2y ago
  Maintainers ≠ developers, and it wasn't that long ago when we heard Linus moaning about maintainer shortage and nobody wanting to pick up their work. Now we get this. Whatever you think of this particular decision, it won't help with finding more maintainers, especially from countries other than the US and its closest allies. I live in a country which may one day find itself under US sanctions, and I'm been busy cutting reliance on American services, just to avoid having to migrate everything in a rush if that happens. Everyone here understands this (for example, my day job migrated off GitHub to self hosted gitlab back in 2022), and I can't imagine many people will be interested in spending years of effort to then possibly be kicked from the project because they chose to be born in a wrong country.

by snvzz 2y ago

type0 2y ago

It's not a geopolitical drama or melodrama, Linux Foundation needs to follow the laws of US where it's located. It's the same as any other American company

riehwvfbk 2y ago
Linux Foundation was never supposed to stifle collaboration in the kernel. They are supposed to be a way to support Linux in a tax-advantaged way, full stop. EFF should start a fork if any part of them still stands for what's in their name.
- walterbell 2y ago
  What percentage of LF budget goes towards Linux?
- account42 2y ago
  The EFF is also a US organization subject to the whims of the US government.
sumanthvepa 2y ago
I agree. It's not big deal. The Russian team can just fork the kernel, and manage it under their own legal structures. It's really not that hard. Indeed CentOS was maintained by just one person for many years. It's not a big deal for Linux either, the code in question is mostly for devices that are not sold in the west. So no loss there. That's the beauty of open source, you can say no to contributions for any reason whatsoever, and the contributor can fork your code and continue to develop it as they please.
protomolecule 2y ago
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- colejohnson66 2y ago
  Sanctions.
  - protomolecule 2y ago
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    - gerikson 2y ago
      Try the search function here! https://sanctionssearch.ofac.treas.gov/ https://sanctionssearch.ofac.treas.gov/

analognoise 2y ago

Most of the developers are paid by US companies. I don’t think this will really affect anything at all.

red-iron-pine 2y ago
IIRC the single biggest source of contributions are Intel, Google, RedHat, AMD, and Huewei. Not necessarily in that order. Something like 80-90% of said contributions are essentially corporate.
homebrewer 2y ago
Maintainers ≠ developers, and it wasn't that long ago when we heard Linus moaning about maintainer shortage and nobody wanting to pick up their work. Now we get this. Whatever you think of this particular decision, it won't help with finding more maintainers, especially from countries other than the US and its closest allies. I live in a country which may one day find itself under US sanctions, and I'm been busy cutting reliance on American services, just to avoid having to migrate everything in a rush if that happens. Everyone here understands this (for example, my day job migrated off GitHub to self hosted gitlab back in 2022), and I can't imagine many people will be interested in spending years of effort to then possibly be kicked from the project because they chose to be born in a wrong country.