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> likeliest group of people to own an EV […] These people do not live in “disadvantaged communities.” Isn't that the whole point? Early EV adopters are already

by pornel 2y ago

> likeliest group of people to own an EV […] These people do not live in “disadvantaged communities.” Isn't that the whole point? Early EV adopters are already creating a demand in richer areas, and that can be fulfilled by commercial suppliers. It's the poor areas that have a chicken-egg problem. EVs have to get cheaper, but that requires a mass-market demand for non-luxury vehicles. But people won't consider buying an EV if the infrastructure is not there, and no business will invest in chargers where there are no EV owners.

vannevar 2y ago
Yes. While it's true that most EV owners now are relatively affluent, there are a lot of sub-$10K used EVs on the market and if chargers are available in disadvantaged communities, those used EVs become a much more viable option.
northhanover 2y ago
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AtlasBarfed 2y ago
What we need to concentrate on is electrifying the parking lots of apartment buildings and parking garages. Doesn't need to be super-level-10 charging, it really can just be L2 or even L1 chargers. That will bring a range of EVs to "disadvantaged": scooters, ebikes, blade scooters, skateboards, etc. It will also work for day-to-day driving in PHEVs and city car EVs, which we also desperately need to nudge car companies to start making. The sodium ion battery EV drivetrain should enable a very very cheap city car. Sodium ion should be 40% the cost of NMC or less, and keep in mind that Tesla likely is at price parity with NMC-EV and ICE drivetrains right now.
kwere 2y ago
people that live in the sticks have reasonably the space at home to charge EV's and most likely wouldnt use a charging station unless their workplace parking got some or they are on the road for a long trip. The demand for charging station will be higher in expensive high density areas where people cant charge at home

by pornel 2y ago

vannevar 2y ago

Yes. While it's true that most EV owners now are relatively affluent, there are a lot of sub-$10K used EVs on the market and if chargers are available in disadvantaged communities, those used EVs become a much more viable option.

northhanover 2y ago

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AtlasBarfed 2y ago

What we need to concentrate on is electrifying the parking lots of apartment buildings and parking garages. Doesn't need to be super-level-10 charging, it really can just be L2 or even L1 chargers. That will bring a range of EVs to "disadvantaged": scooters, ebikes, blade scooters, skateboards, etc. It will also work for day-to-day driving in PHEVs and city car EVs, which we also desperately need to nudge car companies to start making. The sodium ion battery EV drivetrain should enable a very very cheap city car. Sodium ion should be 40% the cost of NMC or less, and keep in mind that Tesla likely is at price parity with NMC-EV and ICE drivetrains right now.

kwere 2y ago

people that live in the sticks have reasonably the space at home to charge EV's and most likely wouldnt use a charging station unless their workplace parking got some or they are on the road for a long trip. The demand for charging station will be higher in expensive high density areas where people cant charge at home