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I don't think you can use tanks, missiles, shells, and drones to clean trails

FredPret 2y ago
At least, you really shouldn’t
javajosh 2y ago
You could certainly use military drones to map out trails and mark sections for cleaning. Beating milspec drones into plowdrones, etc.
- defrost 2y ago
  Sure. Although it's literally cheaper to use a crop duster with LIDAR mounted, civilian hand held drones, etc. We (an air geophysics crowd I worked with) used to take contracts to map vegetation height and density under power lines in Australian bush.
ceejayoz 2y ago
Challenge accepted. (Hilariously, the USFS does use artillery. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Forest_Service#/media/File:106mm_Recoilless_Rifle.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Forest_Service#/...)
- JackYoustra 2y ago
  lmao ok maybe we should keep a few shells for avalanche stuff
jandrewrogers 2y ago
They literally use tanks to keep avalanches off roads. Here is a video near Seattle of the Dept of Transportation using a couple M-60 Sherman tanks to launch artillery into the snowpack in an effort to control avalanches along the Highway 2 corridor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZLfboCceGA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZLfboCceGA
- fallingsquirrel 2y ago
  Interesting fact, but is it really necessary to go to those lengths? Surely something like a handgun or detonated explosive would be cheaper and just as effective (though less fun). I don't think this use case needs the vehicle to be armored.
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    Handguns don't have the range or power. Explosives are used, but you have to get them up there, which means either schleping up the mountain or using a helicopter, which is wildly more expensive. Artillery works great.
    - rpeden 2y ago
      Alaska recently starting experimenting with using drones to drop explosives on snowpacks, so that's another relatively cost-effective option.
  - jandrewrogers 2y ago
    A pistol would be hilariously inadequate. As for "detonating explosives", what do you think they are doing? They are shooting high-explosive artillery rounds from a tank that detonate on impact. As for "why artillery", how do you plan on getting explosives into the snowpack, especially under conditions of severe avalanche risk? Those areas of the mountains are inaccessible by vehicle even in the summertime. A tank can drive on a road and deliver the explosives where needed. They often target 20+ separate snowfields so being able to do it in a timely and efficient manner matters. While the armor doesn't contribute much, it happens to be what the artillery gun is attached to. It would cost far more to rig some special-purpose vehicle. Sherman tanks are free, the government has loads of them lying around waiting to be scrapped, you just pay for fuel and upkeep.
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- openasocket 2y ago
  Nitpick: the M-60 is a Patton tank, not a Sherman. The M-4 Sherman was the primary medium tank used by the US during WW2. The M-60 is much more modern, used by the US military until 1997, and several countries still use them today. I only bring that up because an M-60 tank still running today is perfectly normal, while a Sherman that’s still running would be much more unusual!
iancmceachern 2y ago
You can use the Army Corps of Engineers....
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At least, you really shouldn’t

You could certainly use military drones to map out trails and mark sections for cleaning. Beating milspec drones into plowdrones, etc.

defrost 2y ago
Sure. Although it's literally cheaper to use a crop duster with LIDAR mounted, civilian hand held drones, etc. We (an air geophysics crowd I worked with) used to take contracts to map vegetation height and density under power lines in Australian bush.

ceejayoz 2y ago

Challenge accepted. (Hilariously, the USFS does use artillery. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Forest_Service#/media/File:106mm_Recoilless_Rifle.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Forest_Service#/...)

JackYoustra 2y ago
lmao ok maybe we should keep a few shells for avalanche stuff

jandrewrogers 2y ago

They literally use tanks to keep avalanches off roads. Here is a video near Seattle of the Dept of Transportation using a couple M-60 Sherman tanks to launch artillery into the snowpack in an effort to control avalanches along the Highway 2 corridor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZLfboCceGA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZLfboCceGA

fallingsquirrel 2y ago
Interesting fact, but is it really necessary to go to those lengths? Surely something like a handgun or detonated explosive would be cheaper and just as effective (though less fun). I don't think this use case needs the vehicle to be armored.
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  Handguns don't have the range or power. Explosives are used, but you have to get them up there, which means either schleping up the mountain or using a helicopter, which is wildly more expensive. Artillery works great.
  - rpeden 2y ago
    Alaska recently starting experimenting with using drones to drop explosives on snowpacks, so that's another relatively cost-effective option.
- jandrewrogers 2y ago
  A pistol would be hilariously inadequate. As for "detonating explosives", what do you think they are doing? They are shooting high-explosive artillery rounds from a tank that detonate on impact. As for "why artillery", how do you plan on getting explosives into the snowpack, especially under conditions of severe avalanche risk? Those areas of the mountains are inaccessible by vehicle even in the summertime. A tank can drive on a road and deliver the explosives where needed. They often target 20+ separate snowfields so being able to do it in a timely and efficient manner matters. While the armor doesn't contribute much, it happens to be what the artillery gun is attached to. It would cost far more to rig some special-purpose vehicle. Sherman tanks are free, the government has loads of them lying around waiting to be scrapped, you just pay for fuel and upkeep.
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openasocket 2y ago
Nitpick: the M-60 is a Patton tank, not a Sherman. The M-4 Sherman was the primary medium tank used by the US during WW2. The M-60 is much more modern, used by the US military until 1997, and several countries still use them today. I only bring that up because an M-60 tank still running today is perfectly normal, while a Sherman that’s still running would be much more unusual!

iancmceachern 2y ago

You can use the Army Corps of Engineers....

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