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I’ve not used Svelte since it first came out, but what annoys me a bit is that all these frameworks whose USP is that they are simple, then time goes by and the

by queuep 2y ago

I’ve not used Svelte since it first came out, but what annoys me a bit is that all these frameworks whose USP is that they are simple, then time goes by and they all seem to add more complex stuff that I’m not sure it’s needed? Vue was the same, vue 1 was simple and you could get going within minutes, svelte had the same feeling first time I used it, but now looking at version 5, it still looks simple, but seems to start leaning towards the same route vue took..

pier25 2y ago
I used Vue 2 for a number of years and see what you mean about Vue 3. I don't think this is what happened with Svelte though. I never used v1 but v5 simplified and distilled a lot of things vs v3 (and v4 which was almost identical).
arcanemachiner 2y ago
I'm not very qualified to speak on the subject, but Svelte had (last I checked) the feature of not having a VDOM, meaning I was able to use generic JS libraries with it that did not require a implementation that was Svelte-only, as is the case with many such React and Vue libraries. Personally, I like to stay as close to web standards as possible, instead of tying myself to specific implementations of specific addons for specific frameworks.
- alexrage 2y ago
  I don't understand these points when lower in the discussion another user mentions: > Svelte-specific syntax React is the closest to standard JS in my experience.
  - arcanemachiner 2y ago
    I was referring to how React and Vue have a whole internal virtual implementation of the DOM which prevents many vanilla JS libraries from working with them. Svelte is built to not require this abstraction (VDOM), which increases the likelihood that it will work with other JS libraries out of the box.
jakelazaroff 2y ago
The charitable explanation is that a lot of it is needed; that there is an inherent complexity to this domain, and the relative simplicity they tout at launch is possible because they haven’t yet contended with real-world use.

by queuep 2y ago

pier25 2y ago

I used Vue 2 for a number of years and see what you mean about Vue 3. I don't think this is what happened with Svelte though. I never used v1 but v5 simplified and distilled a lot of things vs v3 (and v4 which was almost identical).

arcanemachiner 2y ago

I'm not very qualified to speak on the subject, but Svelte had (last I checked) the feature of not having a VDOM, meaning I was able to use generic JS libraries with it that did not require a implementation that was Svelte-only, as is the case with many such React and Vue libraries. Personally, I like to stay as close to web standards as possible, instead of tying myself to specific implementations of specific addons for specific frameworks.

alexrage 2y ago
I don't understand these points when lower in the discussion another user mentions: > Svelte-specific syntax React is the closest to standard JS in my experience.
- arcanemachiner 2y ago
  I was referring to how React and Vue have a whole internal virtual implementation of the DOM which prevents many vanilla JS libraries from working with them. Svelte is built to not require this abstraction (VDOM), which increases the likelihood that it will work with other JS libraries out of the box.

jakelazaroff 2y ago

The charitable explanation is that a lot of it is needed; that there is an inherent complexity to this domain, and the relative simplicity they tout at launch is possible because they haven’t yet contended with real-world use.