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Serious question: Given the mood alerting properties of lithium, are people living here chiller than would be expected (controlling for instance for poverty /

Serious question: Given the mood alerting properties of lithium, are people living here chiller than would be expected (controlling for instance for poverty / SES) ?

no_wizard 2y ago
I am not a health researcher or anyting, but a quick googling seems to suggest its possible that it lowers risks of suicide[0] and other affective disorders, which by extension it would lower the rates of issues that can contribute to these issues I'd think. That said, I honestly am unsure. It also is a requisite that it must be in the water in sufficient but low amounts [0]: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32716281/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32716281/
- kranke155 2y ago
  It also shrinks your white matter I think, and has other gigantic bad effects. Source: am bipolar and take 600mg daily.
  - astrange 2y ago
    It also causes obesity and may be the cause of American obesity in the South. https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2021/08/02/a-chemical-hunger-part-vii-lithium/ https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2021/08/02/a-chemical-hunger-p...
    - pfdietz 2y ago
      I wonder how much lithium leaches out of Corningware (made of lithium aluminum silicate glass ceramic), particularly when cooking acid foods. Probably not a huge amount.
pfdietz 2y ago
The formation is 7000 feet below the surface, if I understand correctly, so I don't think there would be any communication of its brine with potable groundwater.
- mbreese 2y ago
  I would like to think that if there were any interaction between theses putative deposits to the groundwater that we wouldn't have needed an ML model to find these deposits in the first place!
renewiltord 2y ago
Only when Mercury is in retrograde
coldbrewed 2y ago
My guess is that the presence of lithium in the groundwater is in trace amounts if at all, while the dosing of lithium is in the domain of ~300mg. A casual search for the quantity of lithium in brine from a mine shows a max of 1400ppm for a rich mine in Chile[1] so drinking straight brine wouldn't get you anywhere near the therapeutic dose. Good question! [1]: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0169136820310684 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01691...
- dmurray 2y ago
  1400 ppm is one part in 700, so you'd get your dose from one cup (250 ml) of that brine. I agree it's not likely you'd get a measurable effect from the local groundwater.
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janice1999 2y ago
Potentially. See "Lithium in drinking water linked with lower suicide rates" [1]. [1] https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/lithium-in-drinking-water-linked-with-lower-suicide-rates https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/lithium-in-drinking-water-linked-...
- thesuitonym 2y ago
  I would assume any positive effects are balanced out by living in Arkansas.
  - sizzzzlerz 2y ago
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    - ethanwillis 2y ago
      I have to ask. Why would you say this?
      - edm0nd 2y ago
        You aint never been to Arkansas have ya? Its a meth joke.
  - hinkley 2y ago
    My only experience with Arkansas was waking up to a speeding ticket at 3 in the morning. Who puts out a speed trap at 3 in the fucking morning? But if it’s anything like Oklahoma…
    - elpakal 2y ago
      Um, why were you waking up while driving at 3 in the morning?
      - hinkley 2y ago
        Some cars have seats for up to seven people, including the driver.
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AStonesThrow 2y ago
It may surprise you to learn that lithium is actually a toxic substance. No human being has ever suffered from a lithium deficiency. Lithium is not a natural or healthy component of anyone's diet. So, the so-called therapeutic dose of lithium is merely a sub-toxic level, and must be monitored by frequent blood tests. There are horrific side effects from using lithium in the long term, including convulsions, hair loss, diarrhea, suicidal and homicidal ideations, and extreme thirst (polydipsia). So personally, I would rather not be tapping into lithium reserves for my health.
jaxgeller 2y ago
El Dorado, one of the towns in AR that overlaps with the deposits, does have an above avg level of lithium water supply [1]. [1]: I'm working on a DB of water quality, https://www.cleartap.com/water-systems/AR0000550 https://www.cleartap.com/water-systems/AR0000550

Serious question: Given the mood alerting properties of lithium, are people living here chiller than would be expected (controlling for instance for poverty / SES) ?

no_wizard 2y ago

I am not a health researcher or anyting, but a quick googling seems to suggest its possible that it lowers risks of suicide[0] and other affective disorders, which by extension it would lower the rates of issues that can contribute to these issues I'd think. That said, I honestly am unsure. It also is a requisite that it must be in the water in sufficient but low amounts [0]: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32716281/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32716281/

kranke155 2y ago
It also shrinks your white matter I think, and has other gigantic bad effects. Source: am bipolar and take 600mg daily.
- astrange 2y ago
  It also causes obesity and may be the cause of American obesity in the South. https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2021/08/02/a-chemical-hunger-part-vii-lithium/ https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2021/08/02/a-chemical-hunger-p...
  - pfdietz 2y ago
    I wonder how much lithium leaches out of Corningware (made of lithium aluminum silicate glass ceramic), particularly when cooking acid foods. Probably not a huge amount.

pfdietz 2y ago

The formation is 7000 feet below the surface, if I understand correctly, so I don't think there would be any communication of its brine with potable groundwater.

mbreese 2y ago
I would like to think that if there were any interaction between theses putative deposits to the groundwater that we wouldn't have needed an ML model to find these deposits in the first place!

renewiltord 2y ago

Only when Mercury is in retrograde

coldbrewed 2y ago

My guess is that the presence of lithium in the groundwater is in trace amounts if at all, while the dosing of lithium is in the domain of ~300mg. A casual search for the quantity of lithium in brine from a mine shows a max of 1400ppm for a rich mine in Chile[1] so drinking straight brine wouldn't get you anywhere near the therapeutic dose. Good question! [1]: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0169136820310684 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01691...

dmurray 2y ago
1400 ppm is one part in 700, so you'd get your dose from one cup (250 ml) of that brine. I agree it's not likely you'd get a measurable effect from the local groundwater.
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janice1999 2y ago

Potentially. See "Lithium in drinking water linked with lower suicide rates" [1]. [1] https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/lithium-in-drinking-water-linked-with-lower-suicide-rates https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/lithium-in-drinking-water-linked-...

thesuitonym 2y ago
I would assume any positive effects are balanced out by living in Arkansas.
- sizzzzlerz 2y ago
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  - ethanwillis 2y ago
    I have to ask. Why would you say this?
    - edm0nd 2y ago
      You aint never been to Arkansas have ya? Its a meth joke.
- hinkley 2y ago
  My only experience with Arkansas was waking up to a speeding ticket at 3 in the morning. Who puts out a speed trap at 3 in the fucking morning? But if it’s anything like Oklahoma…
  - elpakal 2y ago
    Um, why were you waking up while driving at 3 in the morning?
    - hinkley 2y ago
      Some cars have seats for up to seven people, including the driver.

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AStonesThrow 2y ago

It may surprise you to learn that lithium is actually a toxic substance. No human being has ever suffered from a lithium deficiency. Lithium is not a natural or healthy component of anyone's diet. So, the so-called therapeutic dose of lithium is merely a sub-toxic level, and must be monitored by frequent blood tests. There are horrific side effects from using lithium in the long term, including convulsions, hair loss, diarrhea, suicidal and homicidal ideations, and extreme thirst (polydipsia). So personally, I would rather not be tapping into lithium reserves for my health.

jaxgeller 2y ago

El Dorado, one of the towns in AR that overlaps with the deposits, does have an above avg level of lithium water supply [1]. [1]: I'm working on a DB of water quality, https://www.cleartap.com/water-systems/AR0000550 https://www.cleartap.com/water-systems/AR0000550