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Listen, stop playing with serious mental illness. I suffer from severe mental illness since I was young - ketogenic therapy is evidence based medicine and has

by arijo 2y ago

Listen, stop playing with serious mental illness. I suffer from severe mental illness since I was young - ketogenic therapy is evidence based medicine and has changed my life in a way medication never has. When you downplay this emerging field of metabolic health you're preventing many people to have access to a treatment that can save their lives. Please inform yourself better - do not careless spread misinformation that can hurt other people.

soulofmischief 2y ago
> Please inform yourself better - do not careless spread misinformation that can hurt other people. Please inform yourself on ADHD research. When you downplay the role of genetics in mental illness you're preventing many people from having access to life-changing treatment. The irony of your last statement is quite something. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC161723/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC161723/ It's wonderful that ketogenic therapy has changed your life. That has absolutely no bearing on people with different a brain structure. Ketogenic diets can be beneficial, meditation is essential, but there are aspects of ADHD that simply cannot be fixed other than introducing more dopamine into your brain.
- arijo 2y ago
  Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUAbqXcSAzg&t=24s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUAbqXcSAzg&t=24s It's a Oxford’s Keto for ADHD & Depression Randomized Controlled Trial My personal story is with psychosis which is as severe a mental illness as there can be - and I'm very thankful there are doctors and researchers out there battling all the misinformation about metabolic therapies. People have different brain structures, but all brains are composed of cells and cells depend on their normal metabolic pathways to do their job. I actually took dopamine reducing drugs for more than 20 years and I do know from personal experience how these drugs mess up people's lives. So, yes I'm following a ketogenic therapy to, via metabolic normalization, regulate my dopamine pathways, and after 20+ year of misery I finally feel like I have a brain and a life. I hope everyone has the chance to benefit from this research as I am benefiting, because I do know how painful it is to be prescribed these drugs for life.
  - fao_ 2y ago
    > I actually took dopamine reducing drugs for more than 20 years and I do know from personal experience how these drugs mess up people's lives. I mean — and I don't mean to be harsh here — if you have ADHD and Depression, of course dopamine-reducing drugs messed up your life. The issue with ADHD is (generally) insufficient dopamine with unusual dopamine release that leads to peaks and troughs in the dopamine response. Even a cursory amount of knowledge here makes it easy to conclude that dopamine reducing drugs will obviously make things worse.
shkkmo 2y ago
> ketogenic therapy is evidence based medicine There is only anedotal evidence and an animal study that a ketogengic diet reduces ADHD symptoms. There are reasons to be hopeful, but to call this "evidence based medicine" is a lie. I find it unfortunate that the Keto diet attracts such fanaticism. It makes it much harder to find good information about it.
- arijo 2y ago
  You can find good information here - https://metabolicmind.org https://metabolicmind.org
  - shkkmo 2y ago
    I couldn't find anything on that site that wasn't marketing material. I didn't dig deep into that organization but it appears to be run by the type of fanatics that I am talking about. It is dedicated to advocating for a certain type of treatment, not dedicated to gathering what we do and don't know about the topic.
    - arijo 2y ago
      I'm not sure why you keep using the term fanatics in what should be a civil cpnversation - it makes me think that either you have an agenda you're trying to hide your simply put you're an extremely rude person.
      - shkkmo 2y ago
        I'm using the word "fanatic" becuse I think it's meaning is the closest to what I am trying to describe: "a person marked or motivated by an extreme, unreasoning enthusiasm, as for a cause." It isn't intended as an insult or perjorative, but a descriptor. I am coming from the perspective of being genuinely interested and wanting to try such a diet but unable to find any good information in the sea of fanatical marketing.

by arijo 2y ago

soulofmischief 2y ago

> Please inform yourself better - do not careless spread misinformation that can hurt other people. Please inform yourself on ADHD research. When you downplay the role of genetics in mental illness you're preventing many people from having access to life-changing treatment. The irony of your last statement is quite something. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC161723/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC161723/ It's wonderful that ketogenic therapy has changed your life. That has absolutely no bearing on people with different a brain structure. Ketogenic diets can be beneficial, meditation is essential, but there are aspects of ADHD that simply cannot be fixed other than introducing more dopamine into your brain.

arijo 2y ago
Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUAbqXcSAzg&t=24s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUAbqXcSAzg&t=24s It's a Oxford’s Keto for ADHD & Depression Randomized Controlled Trial My personal story is with psychosis which is as severe a mental illness as there can be - and I'm very thankful there are doctors and researchers out there battling all the misinformation about metabolic therapies. People have different brain structures, but all brains are composed of cells and cells depend on their normal metabolic pathways to do their job. I actually took dopamine reducing drugs for more than 20 years and I do know from personal experience how these drugs mess up people's lives. So, yes I'm following a ketogenic therapy to, via metabolic normalization, regulate my dopamine pathways, and after 20+ year of misery I finally feel like I have a brain and a life. I hope everyone has the chance to benefit from this research as I am benefiting, because I do know how painful it is to be prescribed these drugs for life.
- fao_ 2y ago
  > I actually took dopamine reducing drugs for more than 20 years and I do know from personal experience how these drugs mess up people's lives. I mean — and I don't mean to be harsh here — if you have ADHD and Depression, of course dopamine-reducing drugs messed up your life. The issue with ADHD is (generally) insufficient dopamine with unusual dopamine release that leads to peaks and troughs in the dopamine response. Even a cursory amount of knowledge here makes it easy to conclude that dopamine reducing drugs will obviously make things worse.

shkkmo 2y ago

> ketogenic therapy is evidence based medicine There is only anedotal evidence and an animal study that a ketogengic diet reduces ADHD symptoms. There are reasons to be hopeful, but to call this "evidence based medicine" is a lie. I find it unfortunate that the Keto diet attracts such fanaticism. It makes it much harder to find good information about it.

arijo 2y ago
You can find good information here - https://metabolicmind.org https://metabolicmind.org
- shkkmo 2y ago
  I couldn't find anything on that site that wasn't marketing material. I didn't dig deep into that organization but it appears to be run by the type of fanatics that I am talking about. It is dedicated to advocating for a certain type of treatment, not dedicated to gathering what we do and don't know about the topic.
  - arijo 2y ago
    I'm not sure why you keep using the term fanatics in what should be a civil cpnversation - it makes me think that either you have an agenda you're trying to hide your simply put you're an extremely rude person.
    - shkkmo 2y ago
      I'm using the word "fanatic" becuse I think it's meaning is the closest to what I am trying to describe: "a person marked or motivated by an extreme, unreasoning enthusiasm, as for a cause." It isn't intended as an insult or perjorative, but a descriptor. I am coming from the perspective of being genuinely interested and wanting to try such a diet but unable to find any good information in the sea of fanatical marketing.