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Fair. It disenfranchises the poor across racial boundaries.

consteval 2y ago
Poverty is not equal across racial boundaries and geography is also not equal across racial boundaries. Where you put the DPS matters, and the South is still very much segregated to some degree today. Naturally, the state government knows this and takes full advantage of it. See also: Gerrymandering. Same concept.
- Spooky23 2y ago
  Totally. I’m being sarcastic. :) I’ve worked in the ID space and know how the parts work together. When I found myself widowed and having to get a passport for my son, the process of getting a replacement social security card for him was incredibly onerous. 3 different visits! Mind you this was to get a replacement cardboard card - getting survivors benefits is a simple phone call. Multiple visits is a barrier for folks without paid time off. Physical documents is a barrier for folks without unstable housing or noncustodial parents. It’s interesting that all of this bullshit is required to exercise your right to vote. But we have the minimal possible controls on the right to bear arms in those states.
  - kmeisthax 2y ago
    Trust me, 2A will be thrown in the trash the moment poor people or minorities start arming themselves again.
    - KingMob 2y ago
      Yeah, people forget Ronald Reagan passed some of the nationa's earliest gun control laws as governor of California partly as a response to groups like the Black Panthers arming themselves.
anonfordays 2y ago
Voter IDs are free, they do not disenfranchise the poor.
- Apocryphon 2y ago
  Then maybe they should issue them at voting centers come election day.
  - anonfordays 2y ago
    Different organization with a different scope. Would be nice to have, but you must plan accordingly.
    - Apocryphon 2y ago
      Why not merge them? Voter IDs can be driver’s licenses, passports, etc. So much bureaucracy. For the sake of efficiency, simply have sign ups for a voter ID card (similar to state IDs) at voting centers. Two birds, one stone. Easy.
      - anonfordays 2y ago
        I'm with you, it's sadly the nature of the beast. Think about the federal government alone: DoD military ID, veteran's ID, passport, social security card, etc. are all separate organizations with different scopes. It's madness.
        Apocryphon 2y ago
        So what’s one more, for voting? Or better yet, allow a way to quickly issue people state ID cards at DMV voting centers and other similar facilities. That way you get an ID for voting, and for other state identification purposes. Easy-peasy.
        anonfordays 2y ago

Poverty is not equal across racial boundaries and geography is also not equal across racial boundaries. Where you put the DPS matters, and the South is still very much segregated to some degree today. Naturally, the state government knows this and takes full advantage of it. See also: Gerrymandering. Same concept.

Spooky23 2y ago
Totally. I’m being sarcastic. :) I’ve worked in the ID space and know how the parts work together. When I found myself widowed and having to get a passport for my son, the process of getting a replacement social security card for him was incredibly onerous. 3 different visits! Mind you this was to get a replacement cardboard card - getting survivors benefits is a simple phone call. Multiple visits is a barrier for folks without paid time off. Physical documents is a barrier for folks without unstable housing or noncustodial parents. It’s interesting that all of this bullshit is required to exercise your right to vote. But we have the minimal possible controls on the right to bear arms in those states.
- kmeisthax 2y ago
  Trust me, 2A will be thrown in the trash the moment poor people or minorities start arming themselves again.
  - KingMob 2y ago
    Yeah, people forget Ronald Reagan passed some of the nationa's earliest gun control laws as governor of California partly as a response to groups like the Black Panthers arming themselves.

anonfordays 2y ago

Voter IDs are free, they do not disenfranchise the poor.

Apocryphon 2y ago
Then maybe they should issue them at voting centers come election day.
- anonfordays 2y ago
  Different organization with a different scope. Would be nice to have, but you must plan accordingly.
  - Apocryphon 2y ago
    Why not merge them? Voter IDs can be driver’s licenses, passports, etc. So much bureaucracy. For the sake of efficiency, simply have sign ups for a voter ID card (similar to state IDs) at voting centers. Two birds, one stone. Easy.
    - anonfordays 2y ago
      I'm with you, it's sadly the nature of the beast. Think about the federal government alone: DoD military ID, veteran's ID, passport, social security card, etc. are all separate organizations with different scopes. It's madness.
      - Apocryphon 2y ago
        So what’s one more, for voting? Or better yet, allow a way to quickly issue people state ID cards at DMV voting centers and other similar facilities. That way you get an ID for voting, and for other state identification purposes. Easy-peasy.
        anonfordays 2y ago