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That requires some preparation. Example: in Italy the state knows where everybody live (this is self reported but it could be inferred in many ways) and, more i

That requires some preparation. Example: in Italy the state knows where everybody live (this is self reported but it could be inferred in many ways) and, more importantly for this case, where everybody has residence (that might not be the correct English word, sorry.) I could have residence in a city because I was born there but I could live in another one because for one year I have to work in that other city. But I don't sell my home, terminate contracts with utilities etc, also because maybe I go back home once or twice per month to visit friends and parents. Ok, so when I have to vote I do it in my city of residence, in a given place and not in any other one, and I have a card that I have to present together with my photo id. They have a register with the voters that are expected to vote there and they check my name on the list, stamp my card, give me the ballot. Note that this is a process that starts when one is born and keeps going through all the life of a person. It's quite an effort but it makes participating to elections very low effort for a voter. If we had to register to vote... Who would vote, only very interested people. It's amazing that so many people vote in the USA given the process.

sokoloff 2y ago
Merely requiring photo ID is controversial in the US (and not done in MA where I vote). Additionally having a continually up to date registry of persons would definitely not fly here.
- jncfhnb 2y ago
  Millions of voting age Americans do not have a non expired photo ID.
  - Thorrez 2y ago
    I wonder how that compares to Italians.
    - gruturo 2y ago
      Going from memory: In Italy you're meant to always carry a valid, officially accepted form of ID (and as far as I know, only ID card and Password fully qualify, but driving or nautical licenses, gun permits, and some forms of railway employee ID are also generally accepted as they're ultimately made by the government) and it's a crime (with up 2 months in jail, though it's usually just a fine) to refuse to show it upon request to on-duty "public security officials" (Italy has a bunch of entities in addition to the normal police) and in a few other rare categories (a bus or train inspector has the power to demand your ID if you're travelling without a ticket and need to be fined). If you don't actually refuse, but you explain you just forgot your ID at home, you can still provide your details verbally and are usually allowed to go, and "invited" to show your ID within XX days at any police post. But if you were driving a car, there will be a small fine anyway. If the officer has any suspicion you lied, or that your ID is fake, you can be taken to a police station for identification.
      - gruturo 2y ago
        ....ahem, obviously I meant Passport... not Password...

sokoloff 2y ago

Merely requiring photo ID is controversial in the US (and not done in MA where I vote). Additionally having a continually up to date registry of persons would definitely not fly here.

jncfhnb 2y ago
Millions of voting age Americans do not have a non expired photo ID.
- Thorrez 2y ago
  I wonder how that compares to Italians.
  - gruturo 2y ago
    Going from memory: In Italy you're meant to always carry a valid, officially accepted form of ID (and as far as I know, only ID card and Password fully qualify, but driving or nautical licenses, gun permits, and some forms of railway employee ID are also generally accepted as they're ultimately made by the government) and it's a crime (with up 2 months in jail, though it's usually just a fine) to refuse to show it upon request to on-duty "public security officials" (Italy has a bunch of entities in addition to the normal police) and in a few other rare categories (a bus or train inspector has the power to demand your ID if you're travelling without a ticket and need to be fined). If you don't actually refuse, but you explain you just forgot your ID at home, you can still provide your details verbally and are usually allowed to go, and "invited" to show your ID within XX days at any police post. But if you were driving a car, there will be a small fine anyway. If the officer has any suspicion you lied, or that your ID is fake, you can be taken to a police station for identification.
    - gruturo 2y ago
      ....ahem, obviously I meant Passport... not Password...