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Voter ID is not racist.

defrost 2y ago
Like many such policies it's not explicitly racist .. as a procedure it simply disenfranchises some demographics more than others; lower income brackets, people that have had difficult housing and record keepng pasts, indigenous voters on reservation lands lacking mailbox addresses, etc. It's a mystery how that appears to proportionally exclude along racial and ethnic lines but it's assuredly not that by delibrate intent. Just a happy accident really?
- giraffe_lady 2y ago
  A fun fact is that this is specifically the question the academic framework of critical race theory was formed to address. How can systems that are not explicitly racist, that may actually have racial equity as explicit goals, still create racially disparate outcomes. It's an interesting area of study! No wonder people hate it.
- anonfordays 2y ago
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KingMob 2y ago
It certainly is, because the laws are passed with the intent that they won't be applied equally. Incidentally, this is one of the things critical race theory actually talked about: how laws can be non-discriminatory on the surface, but deliberately created and applied in a discriminatory manner. To trot out Wilhoit's Law again: "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
- anonfordays 2y ago
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  - fzeroracer 2y ago
    “You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities,” Ehrlichman said. “We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.” John Ehrlichman, White House counsel and assistant to Richard Nixon
    - anonfordays 2y ago
      Hilarious, your quote is also fabricated, he never said it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ehrlichman https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ehrlichman "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the State." Not Joseph Goebbels, chief propagandist for the Nazi Party and Reich Minister of Propaganda
      - Apocryphon 2y ago
        "It is a good thing for an uneducated man to read books of quotations." - Winston Churchill
        anonfordays 2y ago
        "I no longer listen to what people say, I just watch what they do. Behavior never lies." - Not Winston Churchill
        Apocryphon 2y ago
        Sadly fraudulent https://checkyourfact.com/2019/07/29/fact-check-winston-churchill-behavior-never-lies/ https://checkyourfact.com/2019/07/29/fact-check-winston-chur...
MandieD 2y ago
In Texas, there used to be DPS offices in most mid-sized towns and everyone just had to wait in line to get their driver’s license (principal ID for most Texans) or non-driver ID card. Now, they’ve concentrated them into a few larger service centers that are often miles away from the cities they serve and require appointments, sometimes not available for several weeks… but with a few that spontaneously crop up at short notice. Guess what does not work for people reliant on the meager public transportation infrastructure or getting rides from also time-strapped friends and family? Germany, by contrast, requires every resident to register in the city or town they live in for an ID, whether they intend to vote or not, but even small towns have such an office, and as someone else pointed out, every citizen receives a letter 30 days before each election telling them exactly who/what is being voted on, where they are to go on Election Day (always a Sunday), and how to vote absentee if they’re not going to be in town that day.
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- boohoo123 2y ago
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- anonfordays 2y ago
  >In Texas, there used to be DPS offices in most mid-sized towns and everyone just had to wait in line to get their driver’s license (principal ID for most Texans) or non-driver ID card. They're still there, most mid-sized towns still have them. >Now, they’ve concentrated them into a few larger service centers that are often miles away from the cities they serve and require appointments, sometimes not available for several weeks… but with a few that spontaneously crop up at short notice. Yes they opened the big licensing centers and made them appointment only which is an improvement, you waste zero time. "Miles away" means nothing in Texas, the state is bigger than France. >Guess what does not work for people reliant on the meager public transportation infrastructure There is no public transportation infrastructure in most mid-sized Texas towns. >or getting rides from also time-strapped friends and family? Now with appointments you can plan ahead with family or friends that are time strapped.
throwaway4736 2y ago
It absolutely is. Go look at the racial demographics of the neighborhoods where DMVs are being opened and closed. And then ask yourself which racial groups, at large, are more likely to have time in their day to sit at an inconveniently located DMV and what party they most often vote for.
- anonfordays 2y ago
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Spooky23 2y ago
Fair. It disenfranchises the poor across racial boundaries.
- consteval 2y ago
  Poverty is not equal across racial boundaries and geography is also not equal across racial boundaries. Where you put the DPS matters, and the South is still very much segregated to some degree today. Naturally, the state government knows this and takes full advantage of it. See also: Gerrymandering. Same concept.
  - Spooky23 2y ago
    Totally. I’m being sarcastic. :) I’ve worked in the ID space and know how the parts work together. When I found myself widowed and having to get a passport for my son, the process of getting a replacement social security card for him was incredibly onerous. 3 different visits! Mind you this was to get a replacement cardboard card - getting survivors benefits is a simple phone call. Multiple visits is a barrier for folks without paid time off. Physical documents is a barrier for folks without unstable housing or noncustodial parents. It’s interesting that all of this bullshit is required to exercise your right to vote. But we have the minimal possible controls on the right to bear arms in those states.
    - kmeisthax 2y ago
      Trust me, 2A will be thrown in the trash the moment poor people or minorities start arming themselves again.
      - KingMob 2y ago
        Yeah, people forget Ronald Reagan passed some of the nationa's earliest gun control laws as governor of California partly as a response to groups like the Black Panthers arming themselves.
- anonfordays 2y ago
detruzs 2y ago
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Like many such policies it's not explicitly racist .. as a procedure it simply disenfranchises some demographics more than others; lower income brackets, people that have had difficult housing and record keepng pasts, indigenous voters on reservation lands lacking mailbox addresses, etc. It's a mystery how that appears to proportionally exclude along racial and ethnic lines but it's assuredly not that by delibrate intent. Just a happy accident really?

giraffe_lady 2y ago
A fun fact is that this is specifically the question the academic framework of critical race theory was formed to address. How can systems that are not explicitly racist, that may actually have racial equity as explicit goals, still create racially disparate outcomes. It's an interesting area of study! No wonder people hate it.
anonfordays 2y ago
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KingMob 2y ago

It certainly is, because the laws are passed with the intent that they won't be applied equally. Incidentally, this is one of the things critical race theory actually talked about: how laws can be non-discriminatory on the surface, but deliberately created and applied in a discriminatory manner. To trot out Wilhoit's Law again: "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

anonfordays 2y ago
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- fzeroracer 2y ago
  “You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities,” Ehrlichman said. “We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.” John Ehrlichman, White House counsel and assistant to Richard Nixon
  - anonfordays 2y ago
    Hilarious, your quote is also fabricated, he never said it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ehrlichman https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ehrlichman "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the State." Not Joseph Goebbels, chief propagandist for the Nazi Party and Reich Minister of Propaganda
    - Apocryphon 2y ago
      "It is a good thing for an uneducated man to read books of quotations." - Winston Churchill
      - anonfordays 2y ago
        "I no longer listen to what people say, I just watch what they do. Behavior never lies." - Not Winston Churchill
        Apocryphon 2y ago
        Sadly fraudulent https://checkyourfact.com/2019/07/29/fact-check-winston-churchill-behavior-never-lies/ https://checkyourfact.com/2019/07/29/fact-check-winston-chur...

MandieD 2y ago

In Texas, there used to be DPS offices in most mid-sized towns and everyone just had to wait in line to get their driver’s license (principal ID for most Texans) or non-driver ID card. Now, they’ve concentrated them into a few larger service centers that are often miles away from the cities they serve and require appointments, sometimes not available for several weeks… but with a few that spontaneously crop up at short notice. Guess what does not work for people reliant on the meager public transportation infrastructure or getting rides from also time-strapped friends and family? Germany, by contrast, requires every resident to register in the city or town they live in for an ID, whether they intend to vote or not, but even small towns have such an office, and as someone else pointed out, every citizen receives a letter 30 days before each election telling them exactly who/what is being voted on, where they are to go on Election Day (always a Sunday), and how to vote absentee if they’re not going to be in town that day.

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boohoo123 2y ago
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anonfordays 2y ago
>In Texas, there used to be DPS offices in most mid-sized towns and everyone just had to wait in line to get their driver’s license (principal ID for most Texans) or non-driver ID card. They're still there, most mid-sized towns still have them. >Now, they’ve concentrated them into a few larger service centers that are often miles away from the cities they serve and require appointments, sometimes not available for several weeks… but with a few that spontaneously crop up at short notice. Yes they opened the big licensing centers and made them appointment only which is an improvement, you waste zero time. "Miles away" means nothing in Texas, the state is bigger than France. >Guess what does not work for people reliant on the meager public transportation infrastructure There is no public transportation infrastructure in most mid-sized Texas towns. >or getting rides from also time-strapped friends and family? Now with appointments you can plan ahead with family or friends that are time strapped.

throwaway4736 2y ago

It absolutely is. Go look at the racial demographics of the neighborhoods where DMVs are being opened and closed. And then ask yourself which racial groups, at large, are more likely to have time in their day to sit at an inconveniently located DMV and what party they most often vote for.

anonfordays 2y ago
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Spooky23 2y ago

Fair. It disenfranchises the poor across racial boundaries.

consteval 2y ago
Poverty is not equal across racial boundaries and geography is also not equal across racial boundaries. Where you put the DPS matters, and the South is still very much segregated to some degree today. Naturally, the state government knows this and takes full advantage of it. See also: Gerrymandering. Same concept.
- Spooky23 2y ago
  Totally. I’m being sarcastic. :) I’ve worked in the ID space and know how the parts work together. When I found myself widowed and having to get a passport for my son, the process of getting a replacement social security card for him was incredibly onerous. 3 different visits! Mind you this was to get a replacement cardboard card - getting survivors benefits is a simple phone call. Multiple visits is a barrier for folks without paid time off. Physical documents is a barrier for folks without unstable housing or noncustodial parents. It’s interesting that all of this bullshit is required to exercise your right to vote. But we have the minimal possible controls on the right to bear arms in those states.
  - kmeisthax 2y ago
    Trust me, 2A will be thrown in the trash the moment poor people or minorities start arming themselves again.
    - KingMob 2y ago
      Yeah, people forget Ronald Reagan passed some of the nationa's earliest gun control laws as governor of California partly as a response to groups like the Black Panthers arming themselves.
anonfordays 2y ago

detruzs 2y ago

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