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I can't but I can think of another reason not to buy one. Windows Phone 7 is not upgradeable to Windows Phone 8. There will be a Windows 7.8 update but it's e

I can't but I can think of another reason not to buy one. Windows Phone 7 is not upgradeable to Windows Phone 8. There will be a Windows 7.8 update but it's end of the road for that particular ecosystem as well. So with that announced to be available "sometime towards the end of the year" they've probably hurt the few potential Windows Phone 7 candidates interested in a device. What was Nokia thinking?

rbanffy 14y ago
> What was Nokia thinking? "Microsoft needs our patents to extort more money from Android makers, but buying Nokia would irk their few OEMs. We need to make Nokia fail while it remains closely aligned to Microsoft so they will be in a privileged position to acquire our portfolio" :-) I'm no telepath, but you assume Elop's best interest is a thriving Nokia. I am quite sure he'll make up for his lost performance bonuses in other, maybe less direct, ways.
- cooldeal 14y ago
  It's sad to see how clueless people are about how companies are actually run. Do you even know what a board of directors is and what it can do and does? Do you know much power over the company the chairman of the board has? Look at the profile of the chairman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorma_Ollila http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorma_Ollila Insinuating that Elop is taking a bribe to drive down Nokia is just conspiracy mongering with no basis in reality.
  - gruturo 14y ago
    He's not insinuating he took a bribe. He's insinuating he's been on some sort of covert assignment since 2010 and he never betrayed his mission. It's an impossibly crazy thought, yet it gets harder to dismiss for every day going by...
    - recoiledsnake 14y ago
      Can you explain the process by which Microsoft can assign someone to be the CEO of Nokia?
      - rbanffy 14y ago
        Replacing a CEO is not something that happens overnight. Headhunters are contacted, candidates are approached. It may be luck, it may be knowing the right headhunters, but once the "right" candidate is approached, you can pad his/her resume so that they become irresistible hires for the target company.
        cooldeal 14y ago
        So you think MS padded Elop's resume to make him desirable to Nokia over other candidates? Like being the CEO of Macromedia? What about the decisions after he became CEO? You think they were not done with the support of the board? Look what happened to Leo Apothekar, the board found a replacement for him within a month of him taking questionable decisions. It seems very likely that Nokia wanted a partnership with Microsoft even before Elop was hired. Why else would they hire someone from outside Finland?
    - aik 14y ago
      > it gets harder to dismiss for every day going by... I'm amazed at how common this sentiment is. Turning a company around takes time. It's likely Nokia would be in the same boat as RIM if they would've stuck to their same path (ie. without much hope). However there's massive potential with this new plan for Nokia [if] WP7 succeeds (which IMO is fairly likely looking at current trends and quality of product). However again, it just depends on WP7 succeeding, (which Nokia is trying their hardest to make a reality).
SlipperySlope 14y ago
Elop was previously employed by Microsoft in one of their cash cow business units in which they were effective monopolists. It does not take much imagination to see how that environment so ill-suited Elop to run Nokia - and worse, to be empowered to make sweeping changes.

rbanffy 14y ago

> What was Nokia thinking? "Microsoft needs our patents to extort more money from Android makers, but buying Nokia would irk their few OEMs. We need to make Nokia fail while it remains closely aligned to Microsoft so they will be in a privileged position to acquire our portfolio" :-) I'm no telepath, but you assume Elop's best interest is a thriving Nokia. I am quite sure he'll make up for his lost performance bonuses in other, maybe less direct, ways.

cooldeal 14y ago
It's sad to see how clueless people are about how companies are actually run. Do you even know what a board of directors is and what it can do and does? Do you know much power over the company the chairman of the board has? Look at the profile of the chairman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorma_Ollila http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorma_Ollila Insinuating that Elop is taking a bribe to drive down Nokia is just conspiracy mongering with no basis in reality.
- gruturo 14y ago
  He's not insinuating he took a bribe. He's insinuating he's been on some sort of covert assignment since 2010 and he never betrayed his mission. It's an impossibly crazy thought, yet it gets harder to dismiss for every day going by...
  - recoiledsnake 14y ago
    Can you explain the process by which Microsoft can assign someone to be the CEO of Nokia?
    - rbanffy 14y ago
      Replacing a CEO is not something that happens overnight. Headhunters are contacted, candidates are approached. It may be luck, it may be knowing the right headhunters, but once the "right" candidate is approached, you can pad his/her resume so that they become irresistible hires for the target company.
      - cooldeal 14y ago
        So you think MS padded Elop's resume to make him desirable to Nokia over other candidates? Like being the CEO of Macromedia? What about the decisions after he became CEO? You think they were not done with the support of the board? Look what happened to Leo Apothekar, the board found a replacement for him within a month of him taking questionable decisions. It seems very likely that Nokia wanted a partnership with Microsoft even before Elop was hired. Why else would they hire someone from outside Finland?
  - aik 14y ago
    > it gets harder to dismiss for every day going by... I'm amazed at how common this sentiment is. Turning a company around takes time. It's likely Nokia would be in the same boat as RIM if they would've stuck to their same path (ie. without much hope). However there's massive potential with this new plan for Nokia [if] WP7 succeeds (which IMO is fairly likely looking at current trends and quality of product). However again, it just depends on WP7 succeeding, (which Nokia is trying their hardest to make a reality).

SlipperySlope 14y ago

Elop was previously employed by Microsoft in one of their cash cow business units in which they were effective monopolists. It does not take much imagination to see how that environment so ill-suited Elop to run Nokia - and worse, to be empowered to make sweeping changes.