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Arkansas currently has a 100% total abortion ban. They do not even allow abortion at any week if you’re raped, if you’re a child who has been raped, or if you’r

Arkansas currently has a 100% total abortion ban. They do not even allow abortion at any week if you’re raped, if you’re a child who has been raped, or if you’re a victim of incest. No woman in her right mind would ever move there, and this CTO is female.

decremental 2y ago
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roughly 2y ago
To expand on this, just to push off the inevitable: it’s not just about abortions, it’s about women’s healthcare overall. It turns out there’s a whole shitload of grey areas, doctors aren’t willing to go to jail, and it puts women’s lives in danger to have this theocratic bullshit in place.
delichon 2y ago
The longest drive from within Arkansas to an out of state abortion clinic is about five hours. There is no place to live without compromises. I'm in a state with free choice and the nearest to me is a three hour drive. My distance to access is greater than 90% of the population of Arkansas. I can understand not wanting to live there due to that policy on principle but not on practicality.
- zippothrowaway 2y ago
  And what if it's an emergency? Some compromises are not worth making when it could kill you. Note this law is actually working as designed - they want pro-choice people to leave their state so they can entrench their power there.
  - delichon 2y ago
    Here's the first sentence of the law: (a) A person shall not purposely perform or attempt to perform an abortion except to save the life of a pregnant woman in a medical emergency. https://law.justia.com/codes/arkansas/title-5/subtitle-6/chapter-61/subchapter-3/section-5-61-304/ https://law.justia.com/codes/arkansas/title-5/subtitle-6/cha...
    - sys_64738 2y ago
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      - roarkeful 2y ago
        Thanks, appreciate being called a garbage person. Have you considered having empathy for people with different views than you?
        roughly 2y ago
        > Have you considered having empathy for people with different views than you? This is an interesting response in a thread defending an abortion ban.
        sys_64738 2y ago
        > Have you considered having empathy for people with different views than you? No. On this topic I don't give a damn about people who have the wrong point of view.
        Asparagirl 2y ago
        Have they turned those squishy-sounding different views into horrifically inhumane absolute laws that affect every female person in the state, passing through the state, or considering taking a job (or keeping an existing job) in the state?
    - ouddv 2y ago
      We get it: YOU ARE DISHONEST. That shit means, in practice, that if you're in bad shape and will obviously need an abortion; the hospital will wait until you are nearly dead before they perform it. It happens every day, and vile, dishonest, woman-hating pieces of shit like you lie lie lie to defend it.
    - ouddv 2y ago
      Here is an example of the deaths that dishonest, woman hating, authoritarians like you promote: https://www.propublica.org/article/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-abortion-ban-emtala https://www.propublica.org/article/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-... I know you won’t care, because you’re a worthless monster. But just a reminder that you are, in fact, a horrible person who deserves a horrible life.
- almostgotcaught 2y ago
  > The longest drive from within Arkansas to an out of state abortion clinic is about five hours. Arkansas isn't so bad because I can drive 300 miles to a different state if I need medical care. Ok. > There is no place to live without compromises. Sure but calling an abortion ban a compromise is like calling a nuclear warhead a nonlethal weapon.
  - ouddv 2y ago
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  - protonbob 2y ago
    Do you fail to see the irony in comparing abortion to a weapon and not meaning the actual killing of the fetus? (Abortions to save the life of the mother are a very small percentage of abortions)
    - almostgotcaught 2y ago
      do you really think people are falling for this? especially on this forum?
  - marcuskane2 2y ago
    You can get medical care there. You just can't end the life of a baby, unless the mother's life is in danger.
    - Asparagirl 2y ago
      Words mean things, and the four-week fetus of a raped eleven-year-old is not a “baby”. Medical care to terminate that pregnancy and that fetus is literally medical care — and is illegal in Arkansas.
      - CapricornNoble 2y ago
        I haven't done a deep-dive on this subject, but it appears adolescents under 15 are 0.2% of US abortions according to the CDC.[1] So raped children needing medical interventions is some sub-fraction of 0.2%, which is less than 1,200 abortion across the entire country. It seems like such an extreme edge case that it is highly irrational to tar the adults of the entire state of Alabama as "garbage people" over these highly irregular scenarios. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/ss/ss7209a1.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/ss/ss7209a1.htm
- ouddv 2y ago
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IncreasePosts 2y ago
What a ridiculous take. 50+% of women in Alabama think abortion should be illegal in most cases. And Alabama was in the top 10 for percent inbound migration last year, meaning there are tens of thousands of women who made the choice to move to Alabama. And you're saying all of them must be "not in their right mind".
- themadturk 2y ago
  How many are moving there because their husbands are moving there and don't want divorces? 50%+ of them being in favor of restricting abortion means the rest don't like restricting abortion, but may not have the means to leave.
  - IncreasePosts 2y ago
    Probably some, but no where near all. Maybe - instead of saying that a state of millions of people is filled with only helpless or mentally unwell women - maybe we can just say that different people can have different viewpoints on abortion while still being mentally normal.
- blackhawkC17 2y ago
  Some people are so stuck in their bubbles that they can’t imagine anything else.
- threeseed 2y ago
  That Pew Alabama poll you are likely referring to is absolutely ridiculous: https://www.pewresearch.org/religious-landscape-study/database/views-about-abortion/ https://www.pewresearch.org/religious-landscape-study/databa... There is a world of difference between (a) a 10 year old child being raped and needing an abortion, (b) woman who will die if she gives birth and (c) woman getting an abortion the day before the baby is due simply because she feels like it. And yet the poll lumps all of those together. Such a complex issue needs far more nuance.
shrubble 2y ago
CTO in the article appears to be beyond the age at which pregnancy is possible?
- lambdasquirrel 2y ago
  I did not get that impression from seeing a recent photograph from her, and this might be missing the point. Imagine that the law on the matter would be hostile towards a younger aspiring-professional image of her. Is Bentonville only going to be okay for women who've "made it" and lived past their child-bearing years?
- kjs3 2y ago
  This will probably be a huge surprise for you, but some people care about other people.
- seized 2y ago
  So? She certainly has one or more daughters, or neices, or is a god parent, or has friends with kids...
- desert_rue 2y ago
  That’s like saying men shouldn’t vote on matters relating to abortion. People can vote you their feet.
dopylitty 2y ago
And don't forget states with those policies are losing OB/GYNs and other medical professionals rapidly[0] so even if you don't care about abortion your medical care or the medical care of the women you love is going to be shit (even by US standards) if you get stuck there. Women are dying not only because they have pregnancies that should be terminated due to nonviability but also because doctors are afraid of treating them while they're pregnant[1]. Any company with a shred of care for their female employees and the families of their male employess should be leaving those states. 0: https://www.wired.com/story/states-with-abortion-bans-are-losing-a-generation-of-ob-gyns/ https://www.wired.com/story/states-with-abortion-bans-are-lo... 1: https://sph.tulane.edu/study-finds-higher-maternal-mortality-rates-states-more-abortion-restrictions https://sph.tulane.edu/study-finds-higher-maternal-mortality...

decremental 2y ago

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roughly 2y ago

To expand on this, just to push off the inevitable: it’s not just about abortions, it’s about women’s healthcare overall. It turns out there’s a whole shitload of grey areas, doctors aren’t willing to go to jail, and it puts women’s lives in danger to have this theocratic bullshit in place.

delichon 2y ago

The longest drive from within Arkansas to an out of state abortion clinic is about five hours. There is no place to live without compromises. I'm in a state with free choice and the nearest to me is a three hour drive. My distance to access is greater than 90% of the population of Arkansas. I can understand not wanting to live there due to that policy on principle but not on practicality.

zippothrowaway 2y ago
And what if it's an emergency? Some compromises are not worth making when it could kill you. Note this law is actually working as designed - they want pro-choice people to leave their state so they can entrench their power there.
- delichon 2y ago
  Here's the first sentence of the law: (a) A person shall not purposely perform or attempt to perform an abortion except to save the life of a pregnant woman in a medical emergency. https://law.justia.com/codes/arkansas/title-5/subtitle-6/chapter-61/subchapter-3/section-5-61-304/ https://law.justia.com/codes/arkansas/title-5/subtitle-6/cha...
  - sys_64738 2y ago
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    - roarkeful 2y ago
      Thanks, appreciate being called a garbage person. Have you considered having empathy for people with different views than you?
      - roughly 2y ago
        > Have you considered having empathy for people with different views than you? This is an interesting response in a thread defending an abortion ban.
      - sys_64738 2y ago
        > Have you considered having empathy for people with different views than you? No. On this topic I don't give a damn about people who have the wrong point of view.
      - Asparagirl 2y ago
        Have they turned those squishy-sounding different views into horrifically inhumane absolute laws that affect every female person in the state, passing through the state, or considering taking a job (or keeping an existing job) in the state?
  - ouddv 2y ago
    We get it: YOU ARE DISHONEST. That shit means, in practice, that if you're in bad shape and will obviously need an abortion; the hospital will wait until you are nearly dead before they perform it. It happens every day, and vile, dishonest, woman-hating pieces of shit like you lie lie lie to defend it.
  - ouddv 2y ago
    Here is an example of the deaths that dishonest, woman hating, authoritarians like you promote: https://www.propublica.org/article/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-abortion-ban-emtala https://www.propublica.org/article/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-... I know you won’t care, because you’re a worthless monster. But just a reminder that you are, in fact, a horrible person who deserves a horrible life.
almostgotcaught 2y ago
> The longest drive from within Arkansas to an out of state abortion clinic is about five hours. Arkansas isn't so bad because I can drive 300 miles to a different state if I need medical care. Ok. > There is no place to live without compromises. Sure but calling an abortion ban a compromise is like calling a nuclear warhead a nonlethal weapon.
- ouddv 2y ago
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- protonbob 2y ago
  Do you fail to see the irony in comparing abortion to a weapon and not meaning the actual killing of the fetus? (Abortions to save the life of the mother are a very small percentage of abortions)
  - almostgotcaught 2y ago
    do you really think people are falling for this? especially on this forum?
- marcuskane2 2y ago
  You can get medical care there. You just can't end the life of a baby, unless the mother's life is in danger.
  - Asparagirl 2y ago
    Words mean things, and the four-week fetus of a raped eleven-year-old is not a “baby”. Medical care to terminate that pregnancy and that fetus is literally medical care — and is illegal in Arkansas.
    - CapricornNoble 2y ago
      I haven't done a deep-dive on this subject, but it appears adolescents under 15 are 0.2% of US abortions according to the CDC.[1] So raped children needing medical interventions is some sub-fraction of 0.2%, which is less than 1,200 abortion across the entire country. It seems like such an extreme edge case that it is highly irrational to tar the adults of the entire state of Alabama as "garbage people" over these highly irregular scenarios. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/ss/ss7209a1.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/ss/ss7209a1.htm
ouddv 2y ago
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IncreasePosts 2y ago

What a ridiculous take. 50+% of women in Alabama think abortion should be illegal in most cases. And Alabama was in the top 10 for percent inbound migration last year, meaning there are tens of thousands of women who made the choice to move to Alabama. And you're saying all of them must be "not in their right mind".

themadturk 2y ago
How many are moving there because their husbands are moving there and don't want divorces? 50%+ of them being in favor of restricting abortion means the rest don't like restricting abortion, but may not have the means to leave.
- IncreasePosts 2y ago
  Probably some, but no where near all. Maybe - instead of saying that a state of millions of people is filled with only helpless or mentally unwell women - maybe we can just say that different people can have different viewpoints on abortion while still being mentally normal.
blackhawkC17 2y ago
Some people are so stuck in their bubbles that they can’t imagine anything else.
threeseed 2y ago
That Pew Alabama poll you are likely referring to is absolutely ridiculous: https://www.pewresearch.org/religious-landscape-study/database/views-about-abortion/ https://www.pewresearch.org/religious-landscape-study/databa... There is a world of difference between (a) a 10 year old child being raped and needing an abortion, (b) woman who will die if she gives birth and (c) woman getting an abortion the day before the baby is due simply because she feels like it. And yet the poll lumps all of those together. Such a complex issue needs far more nuance.

shrubble 2y ago

CTO in the article appears to be beyond the age at which pregnancy is possible?

lambdasquirrel 2y ago
I did not get that impression from seeing a recent photograph from her, and this might be missing the point. Imagine that the law on the matter would be hostile towards a younger aspiring-professional image of her. Is Bentonville only going to be okay for women who've "made it" and lived past their child-bearing years?
kjs3 2y ago
This will probably be a huge surprise for you, but some people care about other people.
seized 2y ago
So? She certainly has one or more daughters, or neices, or is a god parent, or has friends with kids...
desert_rue 2y ago
That’s like saying men shouldn’t vote on matters relating to abortion. People can vote you their feet.

dopylitty 2y ago

And don't forget states with those policies are losing OB/GYNs and other medical professionals rapidly[0] so even if you don't care about abortion your medical care or the medical care of the women you love is going to be shit (even by US standards) if you get stuck there. Women are dying not only because they have pregnancies that should be terminated due to nonviability but also because doctors are afraid of treating them while they're pregnant[1]. Any company with a shred of care for their female employees and the families of their male employess should be leaving those states. 0: https://www.wired.com/story/states-with-abortion-bans-are-losing-a-generation-of-ob-gyns/ https://www.wired.com/story/states-with-abortion-bans-are-lo... 1: https://sph.tulane.edu/study-finds-higher-maternal-mortality-rates-states-more-abortion-restrictions https://sph.tulane.edu/study-finds-higher-maternal-mortality...