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> The rest of you can connect your TV to the internet and have creeps do stuff with your data, Your data is still getting collected, just not through the TV.

> The rest of you can connect your TV to the internet and have creeps do stuff with your data, Your data is still getting collected, just not through the TV. > I really don't care what you do. What if you were told that ad companies are still going to be able to target you just by collecting data from others like you?

leptons 2y ago
What if you were told that I've worked for those ad companies, I know all the tricks they use, and I know extremely well how they target me - and I'm still not worried about buying a "smart" TV and using it while not connecting it to the internet.
- rglullis 2y ago
  > I've worked for those ad companies Well, then I definitely don't trust your moral compass and this whole discussion is pointless.
  - leptons 2y ago
    I quit on moral grounds, so you really don't have the moral high ground here, as much as you'd like to think you do. Once I realized what was going on there I found another job and left them immediately, my employment there lasted all of 3 months. So I know what they do, how they do it, but I don't condone it and never did. In many ways I'm better off for having been on the inside for a brief period of time, learning about what they do and how they do it, so I can avoid it. I'll still continue to use my cheap unconnected "smart" TV knowing full-well why it was created, what it is capable of, and how I've bypassed all of that by simply not plugging it in to the internet.
    - rglullis 2y ago
      The point that you are missing is that this is not just about what you can do, but how the system as a whole is rigged. The fact that you know how the sausage is made and yet you are not actively working to dismantle it would be a strong sign of apathy, but when you come boasting about how you are for "getting a nice TV for cheap" just turns the whole thing into complete moral bankruptcy. You are not sticking to the man. You are just a rounding error to them, when you could full well be part of an alternative that puts human decency above petty savings.
      - leptons 2y ago
        >The fact that you know how the sausage is made and yet you are not actively working to dismantle it would be a strong sign of apathy, So you think it's my responsibility to take on Google and every other mega corporation? You're huffing your own farts. What have you done to "dismantle" the ad companies? Nothing? Got it. >but when you come boasting about how you are for "getting a nice TV for cheap" just turns the whole thing into complete moral bankruptcy. Let those without sin cast the first stone. It seems you're throwing a lot of stones, but I doubt your own moral fortitude. You've not said one thing about anything that you have done to "dismantle" these companies you seem to fear so much. Put up or shut up. >You are not sticking to the man. You are just a rounding error to them, when you could full well be part of an alternative that puts human decency above petty savings. I don't really care what you think, you're so full of hate that you can't understand what's going on at all. I got a cheap TV, subsidised by ad companies, and I didn't let them do what they wanted to do to recoup that cost. If you don't think that is at least a little bit of "sticking it to the man" then you're just deluded and cranky and an typical internet troll.
        rglullis 2y ago
        > my responsibility to take on Google and every other mega corporation? There is a whole world of choices and options between "standing up to fight against mega corporations" and "paying a (small) premium for a product that is produced by a company with a stronger sense of ethics". > What have you done to "dismantle" the ad companies? A suite of services that offer messaging and social media network without any ads, tracking or data collection: https://communick.com https://communick.com. > Put up or shut up. Isn't that exactly what this thread is about? I am saying "hey, how about an alternative where people would pay just for the components and assemble themselves?" and for every person saying "that would be great, sign me up", there is some lizard brain saying "just don't connect it to the internet and let companies pay for your shiny gadgets while they exploit the other losers".
        leptons 2y ago
        I don't see you making a cheap dumb TV, so I'll continue to buy "smart" TVs and not connect them to the internet, and I'll suggest to other people that they do the same if they buy a "smart" TV. If everyone bought a "smart" TV and not connect it to the internet, then there wouldn't be any more "smart" TVs made. That's how you change the world, not with "Lemmy" or "Funkwhale" or other stuff people don't want.

leptons 2y ago

What if you were told that I've worked for those ad companies, I know all the tricks they use, and I know extremely well how they target me - and I'm still not worried about buying a "smart" TV and using it while not connecting it to the internet.

rglullis 2y ago
> I've worked for those ad companies Well, then I definitely don't trust your moral compass and this whole discussion is pointless.
- leptons 2y ago
  I quit on moral grounds, so you really don't have the moral high ground here, as much as you'd like to think you do. Once I realized what was going on there I found another job and left them immediately, my employment there lasted all of 3 months. So I know what they do, how they do it, but I don't condone it and never did. In many ways I'm better off for having been on the inside for a brief period of time, learning about what they do and how they do it, so I can avoid it. I'll still continue to use my cheap unconnected "smart" TV knowing full-well why it was created, what it is capable of, and how I've bypassed all of that by simply not plugging it in to the internet.
  - rglullis 2y ago
    The point that you are missing is that this is not just about what you can do, but how the system as a whole is rigged. The fact that you know how the sausage is made and yet you are not actively working to dismantle it would be a strong sign of apathy, but when you come boasting about how you are for "getting a nice TV for cheap" just turns the whole thing into complete moral bankruptcy. You are not sticking to the man. You are just a rounding error to them, when you could full well be part of an alternative that puts human decency above petty savings.
    - leptons 2y ago
      >The fact that you know how the sausage is made and yet you are not actively working to dismantle it would be a strong sign of apathy, So you think it's my responsibility to take on Google and every other mega corporation? You're huffing your own farts. What have you done to "dismantle" the ad companies? Nothing? Got it. >but when you come boasting about how you are for "getting a nice TV for cheap" just turns the whole thing into complete moral bankruptcy. Let those without sin cast the first stone. It seems you're throwing a lot of stones, but I doubt your own moral fortitude. You've not said one thing about anything that you have done to "dismantle" these companies you seem to fear so much. Put up or shut up. >You are not sticking to the man. You are just a rounding error to them, when you could full well be part of an alternative that puts human decency above petty savings. I don't really care what you think, you're so full of hate that you can't understand what's going on at all. I got a cheap TV, subsidised by ad companies, and I didn't let them do what they wanted to do to recoup that cost. If you don't think that is at least a little bit of "sticking it to the man" then you're just deluded and cranky and an typical internet troll.
      - rglullis 2y ago
        > my responsibility to take on Google and every other mega corporation? There is a whole world of choices and options between "standing up to fight against mega corporations" and "paying a (small) premium for a product that is produced by a company with a stronger sense of ethics". > What have you done to "dismantle" the ad companies? A suite of services that offer messaging and social media network without any ads, tracking or data collection: https://communick.com https://communick.com. > Put up or shut up. Isn't that exactly what this thread is about? I am saying "hey, how about an alternative where people would pay just for the components and assemble themselves?" and for every person saying "that would be great, sign me up", there is some lizard brain saying "just don't connect it to the internet and let companies pay for your shiny gadgets while they exploit the other losers".
        leptons 2y ago
        I don't see you making a cheap dumb TV, so I'll continue to buy "smart" TVs and not connect them to the internet, and I'll suggest to other people that they do the same if they buy a "smart" TV. If everyone bought a "smart" TV and not connect it to the internet, then there wouldn't be any more "smart" TVs made. That's how you change the world, not with "Lemmy" or "Funkwhale" or other stuff people don't want.