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How can you make political hay out of a solved problem? Solving it, now that would be a BIG PROBLEM! If it's not immigrants then you would have to blame someon

by kurthr 2y ago

How can you make political hay out of a solved problem? Solving it, now that would be a BIG PROBLEM! If it's not immigrants then you would have to blame someone else and/or more explicitly cite race/ethnicity/religion. Seriously, when you have a significant group of people regularly claiming on TV that 20million people have illegally entered the country in the last 4 years, that's both hilarious and dangerous.

Terr_ 2y ago
> a significant group of people regularly claiming on TV that 20million people have illegally entered the country in the last 4 years, Plus all of them somehow managing to cast totally-undetectable votes in elections, traveling to specific swing states, for no direct gain to themselves even though getting caught would mean deportation, while uniformly maintaining superhuman levels of discipline and secrecy. /s
- jzackpete 2y ago
  electoral votes and number of representatives are allocated based on census numbers, which have nothing to do with citizenship status /!s
  - Terr_ 2y ago
    I'm not sure how to parse the sarcasm in that one. It's literally true, and counting people (rather than voters) is reasonable when you look the history of US demographics. Are you saying it would be scummy for some folks to rail against certain groups while happily accepting their contribution to local census numbers?
- leereeves 2y ago
  Not "totally-undetectable". Nineteen foreign nationals were caught voting in 2016 in North Carolina alone. https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/19-aliens-charged-voter-fraud-north-carolina-following-ice-investigation https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/19-aliens-charged-voter-fr... Those are just a few of the ones who used their own names. An unofficial analysis by CBS "showed [at least] 119 dead people have voted a total of 229 times in Chicago in the last decade [2006-2016]." https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/2-investigators-chicago-voters-cast-ballots-from-beyond-the-grave/ https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/2-investigators-chicago... We know the problem exists. We won't know how widespread the problem is without a thorough nationwide investigation, but the Democrats oppose that fiercely. They demand extensive evidence be provided before an investigation will be allowed, then ignore what evidence is available.
  - Terr_ 2y ago
    > Nineteen foreign nationals were caught voting in 2016 in North Carolina alone. I am very amused at how you trying to present that as a Big Scary Number. It's as if some carnival barker is hyping up the ferocious lion, king of beasts, and then pulls the curtain aside to reveal confused Pekingese. > We won't know how widespread the problem is without a thorough nationwide investigation A false dilemma. State-level investigations are entirely possible and are also within the power of the most vocal doom-sayers to trigger... So why don't they? Because they do not want those investigations, which have a nasty habit of disproving the wild claims they've been peddling to motivate their base. Demanding a national investigation is an excuse for inaction, firstly because it's legally incoherent with how states manage elections, and secondly because whether Louisiana can detect/stop a berjillion false-voters streaming across the border has nothing to do with requiring a report on how New Hampshire is doing.
    - leereeves 2y ago
      > I am very amused at how you trying to present that as a Big Scary Number. It's as if some carnival barker is hyping up an amazing attraction and then pulls the curtain aside to a puzzling disappointment. It's more like you're lying about what I said. I offered that as an example showing that the problem exists and can be detected. Isolated investigations with limited resources, facing official opposition, naturally find only isolated cases. We won't know how widespread ("scary") it is without better investigations. > State-level investigations are entirely possible and are also within the power of the most vocal doom-sayers to trigger > Demanding a national investigation is an excuse for inaction, firstly because it's legally incoherent with how states manage elections Both statements are simply inaccurate. The federal government sets the rules for federal elections, federal courts oversee them, and federal courts have blocked state-level investigations. For example: AP: Texas can no longer investigate alleged cases of vote harvesting, federal judge says https://apnews.com/us-news/texas-ken-paxton-fraud-crime-general-news-0d70563f66320a144bc55ef6aaae1165 https://apnews.com/us-news/texas-ken-paxton-fraud-crime-gene...
      - Terr_ 2y ago

by kurthr 2y ago

Terr_ 2y ago

> a significant group of people regularly claiming on TV that 20million people have illegally entered the country in the last 4 years, Plus all of them somehow managing to cast totally-undetectable votes in elections, traveling to specific swing states, for no direct gain to themselves even though getting caught would mean deportation, while uniformly maintaining superhuman levels of discipline and secrecy. /s

jzackpete 2y ago
electoral votes and number of representatives are allocated based on census numbers, which have nothing to do with citizenship status /!s
- Terr_ 2y ago
  I'm not sure how to parse the sarcasm in that one. It's literally true, and counting people (rather than voters) is reasonable when you look the history of US demographics. Are you saying it would be scummy for some folks to rail against certain groups while happily accepting their contribution to local census numbers?
leereeves 2y ago
Not "totally-undetectable". Nineteen foreign nationals were caught voting in 2016 in North Carolina alone. https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/19-aliens-charged-voter-fraud-north-carolina-following-ice-investigation https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/19-aliens-charged-voter-fr... Those are just a few of the ones who used their own names. An unofficial analysis by CBS "showed [at least] 119 dead people have voted a total of 229 times in Chicago in the last decade [2006-2016]." https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/2-investigators-chicago-voters-cast-ballots-from-beyond-the-grave/ https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/2-investigators-chicago... We know the problem exists. We won't know how widespread the problem is without a thorough nationwide investigation, but the Democrats oppose that fiercely. They demand extensive evidence be provided before an investigation will be allowed, then ignore what evidence is available.
- Terr_ 2y ago
  > Nineteen foreign nationals were caught voting in 2016 in North Carolina alone. I am very amused at how you trying to present that as a Big Scary Number. It's as if some carnival barker is hyping up the ferocious lion, king of beasts, and then pulls the curtain aside to reveal confused Pekingese. > We won't know how widespread the problem is without a thorough nationwide investigation A false dilemma. State-level investigations are entirely possible and are also within the power of the most vocal doom-sayers to trigger... So why don't they? Because they do not want those investigations, which have a nasty habit of disproving the wild claims they've been peddling to motivate their base. Demanding a national investigation is an excuse for inaction, firstly because it's legally incoherent with how states manage elections, and secondly because whether Louisiana can detect/stop a berjillion false-voters streaming across the border has nothing to do with requiring a report on how New Hampshire is doing.
  - leereeves 2y ago
    > I am very amused at how you trying to present that as a Big Scary Number. It's as if some carnival barker is hyping up an amazing attraction and then pulls the curtain aside to a puzzling disappointment. It's more like you're lying about what I said. I offered that as an example showing that the problem exists and can be detected. Isolated investigations with limited resources, facing official opposition, naturally find only isolated cases. We won't know how widespread ("scary") it is without better investigations. > State-level investigations are entirely possible and are also within the power of the most vocal doom-sayers to trigger > Demanding a national investigation is an excuse for inaction, firstly because it's legally incoherent with how states manage elections Both statements are simply inaccurate. The federal government sets the rules for federal elections, federal courts oversee them, and federal courts have blocked state-level investigations. For example: AP: Texas can no longer investigate alleged cases of vote harvesting, federal judge says https://apnews.com/us-news/texas-ken-paxton-fraud-crime-general-news-0d70563f66320a144bc55ef6aaae1165 https://apnews.com/us-news/texas-ken-paxton-fraud-crime-gene...
    - Terr_ 2y ago