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This fee is hot topic in Germany. Our French friends also enjoy ARTE[1] but seem not to suffer anymore from this ridiculous fee. Actually I’m surprised that

This fee is hot topic in Germany. Our French friends also enjoy ARTE[1] but seem not to suffer anymore from this ridiculous fee. Actually I’m surprised that the Swiss fee is even higher, despite everything in the Swiss is expensive. [1] Big parts of our public television suck. But ARTE is awesome! * Borgen * Occupied * Mit offenen Karten * Karambolage * … PS: ARTE is watchable outside of France and Germany in a lot of countries in Europe. Poland, Spain, Austria, Netherlands, Czech and so on.

metabagel 2y ago
Occupied is outstanding, and available in the U.S. on Netflix.
- FragenAntworten 2y ago
  I didn't find it on Netflix, but it seems to be available on Amazon Prime Video.
- ho_schi 2y ago
  Yes. Netflix seems to “import” public television series from Europe into their paid subscription.
9dev 2y ago
While the public television may suck, it still pays for the only real Independent news coverage in Germany. No matter what you think of the ARD or ZDF and their management boards, the work of the Deutschlandfunk and regional broadcasters is outstanding and a pillar of a free democracy. I hate having to pay for distribution licenses for soccer games, but if that ensures continued support for high-quality journalism, so be it.
- sva_ 2y ago
  > I hate having to pay for distribution licenses for soccer games, but if that ensures continued support for high-quality journalism, so be it. You sound like you're in an abusive relationship. Get help while you still can.
  - 9dev 2y ago
    It sounds like you have lost your tolerance for ambiguity, the ability to acknowledge things aren’t merely black or white. I don’t blame you; it’s common these days.
- ho_schi 2y ago
  DLF is the other high quality program aside from ARTE! Regarding the content, it is for all and it is fine that 90% are not interesting for me. I struggle with the selection of news presented by ARD/ZDF, missing positiv news. Soccer is interesting for many but I don’t get why the stream it live and remove it afterwards from the archives. If the organizer doesn’t want public reports with images I would exclude them. More time for broad reports about other sports (cycling, chess, esports…).
- account42 2y ago
  So independent that they parrot the ideology of the ruling parties. If you want to pay for them then be my guest but I'd rather not.
  - 9dev 2y ago
    You say that, but I highly doubt you actually listen to the radio or podcast formats or view lots of the ZDF productions that are very much critical of the established parties, and regularly publish investigative research. Journalists tend to have a high education background and thus tend to hold more progressive and liberal opinions, but that’s unavoidable. The public broadcast services are still miles ahead in terms of unbiased reporting than privately owned publications in Germany. And having said all that; would you really want to have to choose between Fox News and ABC? Journalism should not depend on private interests. I’m not claiming it’s free of political influence either, but at least public broadcast includes provisions to prevent that. The alternative is worse.
account42 2y ago
I don't like being forced to pay for ARTE no matter how much you like it. I don't think this kind of entertainment has any value.

metabagel 2y ago

Occupied is outstanding, and available in the U.S. on Netflix.

FragenAntworten 2y ago
I didn't find it on Netflix, but it seems to be available on Amazon Prime Video.
ho_schi 2y ago
Yes. Netflix seems to “import” public television series from Europe into their paid subscription.

9dev 2y ago

While the public television may suck, it still pays for the only real Independent news coverage in Germany. No matter what you think of the ARD or ZDF and their management boards, the work of the Deutschlandfunk and regional broadcasters is outstanding and a pillar of a free democracy. I hate having to pay for distribution licenses for soccer games, but if that ensures continued support for high-quality journalism, so be it.

sva_ 2y ago
> I hate having to pay for distribution licenses for soccer games, but if that ensures continued support for high-quality journalism, so be it. You sound like you're in an abusive relationship. Get help while you still can.
- 9dev 2y ago
  It sounds like you have lost your tolerance for ambiguity, the ability to acknowledge things aren’t merely black or white. I don’t blame you; it’s common these days.
ho_schi 2y ago
DLF is the other high quality program aside from ARTE! Regarding the content, it is for all and it is fine that 90% are not interesting for me. I struggle with the selection of news presented by ARD/ZDF, missing positiv news. Soccer is interesting for many but I don’t get why the stream it live and remove it afterwards from the archives. If the organizer doesn’t want public reports with images I would exclude them. More time for broad reports about other sports (cycling, chess, esports…).
account42 2y ago
So independent that they parrot the ideology of the ruling parties. If you want to pay for them then be my guest but I'd rather not.
- 9dev 2y ago
  You say that, but I highly doubt you actually listen to the radio or podcast formats or view lots of the ZDF productions that are very much critical of the established parties, and regularly publish investigative research. Journalists tend to have a high education background and thus tend to hold more progressive and liberal opinions, but that’s unavoidable. The public broadcast services are still miles ahead in terms of unbiased reporting than privately owned publications in Germany. And having said all that; would you really want to have to choose between Fox News and ABC? Journalism should not depend on private interests. I’m not claiming it’s free of political influence either, but at least public broadcast includes provisions to prevent that. The alternative is worse.

account42 2y ago

I don't like being forced to pay for ARTE no matter how much you like it. I don't think this kind of entertainment has any value.