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Why? I'm against private car ownership. Ask me all about it...

by PreInternet01 2y ago

scottLobster 2y ago
No shit. And you're suggesting lots of financial pain for people who can't afford it in the name of your ideology.
- PreInternet01 2y ago
  No, I'm not suggesting any kind of financial pain at all. Do I support the ability of people to travel to their job, shopping centers, or any destination they like? Absolutely! Do I think a privately owned vehicle, which spends 90%+ of its active life being parked in spaces that could be utilized much better otherwise, is the best way to achieve those abilities? Nope. Sorry.
  - scottLobster 2y ago
    Oh, so you're in favor of playing Sim-City with the infinite money cheat codes. Cool. Because if you were suggesting that in the real world then, at least in America, you're suggesting a complete overhaul of almost all transportation infrastructure and saying that no average person will have to spend an extra dollar to pay for it somehow. Is Mexico paying for it or something?
    - PreInternet01 2y ago
      You're projecting harder than the average IMAX<tm> venue. Even in many parts of America (which are not that different from many parts of, say, France, which I'm very familiar with, thankyouverymuch), private car ownership is not an absolute requirement. Can people there get around with Public Transport<tm>? Nope. Do they require their Own Private Sardine Can At All Times<tm>? No, not necessarily either. And I'm firmly in the "No Sardine Cans Ever!" camp, and I have solutions. If you're somewhere else, that's fine with me, but you're not so convincing as you might feel...
      - scottLobster 2y ago
        You have no solutions, you have fantasies about turning America into a false vision of France apparently. I've been to France as well, outside of major cities. Perhaps not as well traveled as you, but I remember seeing plenty of private cars in driveways and on roads as we passed by various dwellings. I doubt they'd take kindly to your suggestion either. Weren't there riots over the price of gasoline not that long ago? Whatever, be a flat-earther of transportation policy if you wish. You clearly aren't serious.
    - mtalantikite 2y ago
      I mean it's not like we don't spend $100B+ per year on infrastructure, much of it for roads and other car based transport methods [1]. We could instead invest it in subway and other public transit infrastructure, rather than on exceptionally inefficient, expensive, and environmentally costly modes of transport. [1] https://usafacts.org/state-of-the-union/transportation-infrastructure/ https://usafacts.org/state-of-the-union/transportation-infra... -- note that rail expenditure isn't all public transport, the majority of US rail infrastructure is freight transport.
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- lovich 2y ago
  All change from the status quo causes financial pain, usually for the people who can’t afford it. The OP also didn’t suggest or implement the change, but only commented that they liked the results with regard to car ownership and use
  - scottLobster 2y ago
    Oh, so it wasn't to be taken seriously. Well that's good, because if taken seriously you'd be talking about taking food out of my children's mouths to pay for your fantasy transportation infrastructure that wouldn't pay for itself due to population density, likely be poorly implemented while restricting my freedom of movement, and I make enough that I could eat those costs better than most. I'm annoyed at the terminally-online "I just discovered NotJustBikes and I'm "radicalized"" nature of the idea but there are tens of millions of people for whom it would be an existential issue. How about we eminent-domain wherever you live to build a train line? Oh that wouldn't be a problem for you? Congrats on being in the top 10% at least.
    - ProfessorLayton 2y ago
      Having drivers pay their associated costs is not a fantasy transportation play. If driving becomes too expensive, then alternatives will be built, and that’s a good thing. No one is taking anything from your children.
    - lovich 2y ago
      >How about we eminent-domain wherever you live to build a train line? Oh that wouldn't be a problem for you? Congrats on being in the top 10% at least. Nah, its not a problem because I'm fine contributing to society. If you need everything to stay exactly as it is or you think your life will fall apart, then I have no sympathy for you. I do believe if we need to do something like eminent domain then people should be compensated and cases like Kelo v. City of New London were pretty disgusting, but I am not going to pretend that we cant change because people were inconvenienced
baggy_trough 2y ago
Sounds terrible, why would you be against that?
- PreInternet01 2y ago
  'cause privately-owned cars are a significant contributor to mortality, and take up, like, 99% more space than is warranted? I mean, everyone (well mostly everyone) is absolutely mortified by commercial aviation, which, like, commits literally 0.01% of those sins on a global scale?
  - baggy_trough 2y ago
    If you think mostly everyone is absolutely mortified by commercial aviation, I think you must be in some sort of bubble. Nothing could be further from the truth.
  - lovich 2y ago
    I don’t agree with you on aviation, but on the car front you should also consider that they are an underutilized asset that sits idle for the vast majority of their existence.
  - FooBarBizBazz 2y ago
    "Mortified" means "extremely embarrassed". You seem to mean "terrified".
janetmissed 2y ago
Making using a car more expensive doesn't disincentivize car ownership or usage when there is no other alternative. Like you can't rely on public transportation, biking, or ride shares to get to your job in most parts of this country. The rising costs of the past few years haven't reduced personal car usage as much as its made the lives of people near the bottom of the income scale much more stressful and expensive.
- otterley 2y ago
  > you can't rely on public transportation, biking, or ride shares to get to your job in most parts of this country Sounds like a problem we are all responsible for solving by voting for people who will address this problem.

Why? I'm against private car ownership. Ask me all about it...

scottLobster 2y ago

No shit. And you're suggesting lots of financial pain for people who can't afford it in the name of your ideology.

PreInternet01 2y ago
No, I'm not suggesting any kind of financial pain at all. Do I support the ability of people to travel to their job, shopping centers, or any destination they like? Absolutely! Do I think a privately owned vehicle, which spends 90%+ of its active life being parked in spaces that could be utilized much better otherwise, is the best way to achieve those abilities? Nope. Sorry.
- scottLobster 2y ago
  Oh, so you're in favor of playing Sim-City with the infinite money cheat codes. Cool. Because if you were suggesting that in the real world then, at least in America, you're suggesting a complete overhaul of almost all transportation infrastructure and saying that no average person will have to spend an extra dollar to pay for it somehow. Is Mexico paying for it or something?
  - PreInternet01 2y ago
    You're projecting harder than the average IMAX<tm> venue. Even in many parts of America (which are not that different from many parts of, say, France, which I'm very familiar with, thankyouverymuch), private car ownership is not an absolute requirement. Can people there get around with Public Transport<tm>? Nope. Do they require their Own Private Sardine Can At All Times<tm>? No, not necessarily either. And I'm firmly in the "No Sardine Cans Ever!" camp, and I have solutions. If you're somewhere else, that's fine with me, but you're not so convincing as you might feel...
    - scottLobster 2y ago
      You have no solutions, you have fantasies about turning America into a false vision of France apparently. I've been to France as well, outside of major cities. Perhaps not as well traveled as you, but I remember seeing plenty of private cars in driveways and on roads as we passed by various dwellings. I doubt they'd take kindly to your suggestion either. Weren't there riots over the price of gasoline not that long ago? Whatever, be a flat-earther of transportation policy if you wish. You clearly aren't serious.
  - mtalantikite 2y ago
    I mean it's not like we don't spend $100B+ per year on infrastructure, much of it for roads and other car based transport methods [1]. We could instead invest it in subway and other public transit infrastructure, rather than on exceptionally inefficient, expensive, and environmentally costly modes of transport. [1] https://usafacts.org/state-of-the-union/transportation-infrastructure/ https://usafacts.org/state-of-the-union/transportation-infra... -- note that rail expenditure isn't all public transport, the majority of US rail infrastructure is freight transport.
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lovich 2y ago
All change from the status quo causes financial pain, usually for the people who can’t afford it. The OP also didn’t suggest or implement the change, but only commented that they liked the results with regard to car ownership and use
- scottLobster 2y ago
  Oh, so it wasn't to be taken seriously. Well that's good, because if taken seriously you'd be talking about taking food out of my children's mouths to pay for your fantasy transportation infrastructure that wouldn't pay for itself due to population density, likely be poorly implemented while restricting my freedom of movement, and I make enough that I could eat those costs better than most. I'm annoyed at the terminally-online "I just discovered NotJustBikes and I'm "radicalized"" nature of the idea but there are tens of millions of people for whom it would be an existential issue. How about we eminent-domain wherever you live to build a train line? Oh that wouldn't be a problem for you? Congrats on being in the top 10% at least.
  - ProfessorLayton 2y ago
    Having drivers pay their associated costs is not a fantasy transportation play. If driving becomes too expensive, then alternatives will be built, and that’s a good thing. No one is taking anything from your children.
  - lovich 2y ago
    >How about we eminent-domain wherever you live to build a train line? Oh that wouldn't be a problem for you? Congrats on being in the top 10% at least. Nah, its not a problem because I'm fine contributing to society. If you need everything to stay exactly as it is or you think your life will fall apart, then I have no sympathy for you. I do believe if we need to do something like eminent domain then people should be compensated and cases like Kelo v. City of New London were pretty disgusting, but I am not going to pretend that we cant change because people were inconvenienced

baggy_trough 2y ago

Sounds terrible, why would you be against that?

PreInternet01 2y ago
'cause privately-owned cars are a significant contributor to mortality, and take up, like, 99% more space than is warranted? I mean, everyone (well mostly everyone) is absolutely mortified by commercial aviation, which, like, commits literally 0.01% of those sins on a global scale?
- baggy_trough 2y ago
  If you think mostly everyone is absolutely mortified by commercial aviation, I think you must be in some sort of bubble. Nothing could be further from the truth.
- lovich 2y ago
  I don’t agree with you on aviation, but on the car front you should also consider that they are an underutilized asset that sits idle for the vast majority of their existence.
- FooBarBizBazz 2y ago
  "Mortified" means "extremely embarrassed". You seem to mean "terrified".

janetmissed 2y ago

Making using a car more expensive doesn't disincentivize car ownership or usage when there is no other alternative. Like you can't rely on public transportation, biking, or ride shares to get to your job in most parts of this country. The rising costs of the past few years haven't reduced personal car usage as much as its made the lives of people near the bottom of the income scale much more stressful and expensive.

otterley 2y ago
> you can't rely on public transportation, biking, or ride shares to get to your job in most parts of this country Sounds like a problem we are all responsible for solving by voting for people who will address this problem.