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Can you upgrade if your computer doesn't support "Secure Boot"? If so: 1) Buy a box with no OS 2) Install an older Windows 3) Upgrade. Permanent path to 8 wit

Can you upgrade if your computer doesn't support "Secure Boot"? If so: 1) Buy a box with no OS 2) Install an older Windows 3) Upgrade. Permanent path to 8 without secure boot?

fleitz 14y ago
Secure Boot support is only required for Win 8 ARM, so yes, you can upgrade with out secure boot (unless you've some how gotten Win7/XP to run on ARM)
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UnoriginalGuy 14y ago
Why wouldn't you? Secure Boot is a root-kit protection mechanism; and Microsoft has required OEM partners to provide a way for users to disable it in the UEFI/BIOS. I think you're either trolling or hugely misinformed.
- mythz 14y ago
  "As currently proposed, Secure Boot impedes free software adoption. It is already bad enough that nearly all computers sold come with Microsoft Windows pre-installed. In order to convince users to try free software, we must convince them to remove the operating system that came on their computers (or to divide their hard drives and make room for a new system, perceptually risking their data in the process). With Secure Boot, new free software users must take an additional step to install free software operating systems. Because these operating systems do not have keys stored in every computer's firmware by default like Microsoft does, users will have to disable Secure Boot before booting the new system's installer. Proprietary software companies may present this requirement under the guise of "disable security on your computer," which will mislead new users into thinking free software is insecure." https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/whitepaper-web https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot...
  - Xuzz 14y ago
    If you're technical enough to be buying old computers to work around it, I bet you could figure out how to disable it when the option is right there. :)
    - mythz 14y ago
      That still hinders FOSS's world-domination / year of the linux desktop plans.
      - srdjanjovcic 14y ago
        Fedora will support booting on secure boot hardware: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html
  - ShabbyDoo 14y ago
    I get the argument from a purist's perspective, but it's a minor problem when compared to the set of impediments "normal" users face if they decide to install a Linux distro.
cooldeal 14y ago
>Can you upgrade if your computer doesn't support "Secure Boot"? You've got it completely backwards. Windows 8 will boot on any machine, regardless of secure boot. It is the machines that will come with secure boot enabled by default (which you can disable via the firmware setup screen) and may not be able to boot Windows 7 in the default config.

Can you upgrade if your computer doesn't support "Secure Boot"? If so: 1) Buy a box with no OS 2) Install an older Windows 3) Upgrade. Permanent path to 8 without secure boot?

fleitz 14y ago

Secure Boot support is only required for Win 8 ARM, so yes, you can upgrade with out secure boot (unless you've some how gotten Win7/XP to run on ARM)

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UnoriginalGuy 14y ago

Why wouldn't you? Secure Boot is a root-kit protection mechanism; and Microsoft has required OEM partners to provide a way for users to disable it in the UEFI/BIOS. I think you're either trolling or hugely misinformed.

mythz 14y ago
"As currently proposed, Secure Boot impedes free software adoption. It is already bad enough that nearly all computers sold come with Microsoft Windows pre-installed. In order to convince users to try free software, we must convince them to remove the operating system that came on their computers (or to divide their hard drives and make room for a new system, perceptually risking their data in the process). With Secure Boot, new free software users must take an additional step to install free software operating systems. Because these operating systems do not have keys stored in every computer's firmware by default like Microsoft does, users will have to disable Secure Boot before booting the new system's installer. Proprietary software companies may present this requirement under the guise of "disable security on your computer," which will mislead new users into thinking free software is insecure." https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/whitepaper-web https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot...
- Xuzz 14y ago
  If you're technical enough to be buying old computers to work around it, I bet you could figure out how to disable it when the option is right there. :)
  - mythz 14y ago
    That still hinders FOSS's world-domination / year of the linux desktop plans.
    - srdjanjovcic 14y ago
      Fedora will support booting on secure boot hardware: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html
- ShabbyDoo 14y ago
  I get the argument from a purist's perspective, but it's a minor problem when compared to the set of impediments "normal" users face if they decide to install a Linux distro.

cooldeal 14y ago

>Can you upgrade if your computer doesn't support "Secure Boot"? You've got it completely backwards. Windows 8 will boot on any machine, regardless of secure boot. It is the machines that will come with secure boot enabled by default (which you can disable via the firmware setup screen) and may not be able to boot Windows 7 in the default config.