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The manufacturer is being rewarded. You just bought a TV from them. They are making money anyway. The revenue from the data selling is just extra.

leptons 2y ago
That's a win-win-win in my book. I get a cheap device, manufacturer sells a device, evil data collection companies don't get my data. The rest of you can connect your tv to the internet and have creeps do stuff with your data, I really don't care what you do. And really, why should anyone be worried that some company knows you watch family feud instead of the price is right.
- rglullis 2y ago
  > The rest of you can connect your TV to the internet and have creeps do stuff with your data, Your data is still getting collected, just not through the TV. > I really don't care what you do. What if you were told that ad companies are still going to be able to target you just by collecting data from others like you?
  - leptons 2y ago
    What if you were told that I've worked for those ad companies, I know all the tricks they use, and I know extremely well how they target me - and I'm still not worried about buying a "smart" TV and using it while not connecting it to the internet.
    - rglullis 2y ago
      > I've worked for those ad companies Well, then I definitely don't trust your moral compass and this whole discussion is pointless.
      - leptons 2y ago
        I quit on moral grounds, so you really don't have the moral high ground here, as much as you'd like to think you do. Once I realized what was going on there I found another job and left them immediately, my employment there lasted all of 3 months. So I know what they do, how they do it, but I don't condone it and never did. In many ways I'm better off for having been on the inside for a brief period of time, learning about what they do and how they do it, so I can avoid it. I'll still continue to use my cheap unconnected "smart" TV knowing full-well why it was created, what it is capable of, and how I've bypassed all of that by simply not plugging it in to the internet.
        rglullis 2y ago
        The point that you are missing is that this is not just about what you can do, but how the system as a whole is rigged. The fact that you know how the sausage is made and yet you are not actively working to dismantle it would be a strong sign of apathy, but when you come boasting about how you are for "getting a nice TV for cheap" just turns the whole thing into complete moral bankruptcy. You are not sticking to the man. You are just a rounding error to them, when you could full well be part of an alternative that puts human decency above petty savings.
        leptons 2y ago
        >The fact that you know how the sausage is made and yet you are not actively working to dismantle it would be a strong sign of apathy, So you think it's my responsibility to take on Google and every other mega corporation? You're huffing your own farts. What have you done to "dismantle" the ad companies? Nothing? Got it. >but when you come boasting about how you are for "getting a nice TV for cheap" just turns the whole thing into complete moral bankruptcy. Let those without sin cast the first stone. It seems you're throwing a lot of stones, but I doubt your own moral fortitude. You've not said one thing about anything that you have done to "dismantle" these companies you seem to fear so much. Put up or shut up. >You are not sticking to the man. You are just a rounding error to them, when you could full well be part of an alternative that puts human decency above petty savings. I don't really care what you think, you're so full of hate that you can't understand what's going on at all. I got a cheap TV, subsidised by ad companies, and I didn't let them do what they wanted to do to recoup that cost. If you don't think that is at least a little bit of "sticking it to the man" then you're just deluded and cranky and an typical internet troll.

leptons 2y ago

That's a win-win-win in my book. I get a cheap device, manufacturer sells a device, evil data collection companies don't get my data. The rest of you can connect your tv to the internet and have creeps do stuff with your data, I really don't care what you do. And really, why should anyone be worried that some company knows you watch family feud instead of the price is right.

rglullis 2y ago
> The rest of you can connect your TV to the internet and have creeps do stuff with your data, Your data is still getting collected, just not through the TV. > I really don't care what you do. What if you were told that ad companies are still going to be able to target you just by collecting data from others like you?
- leptons 2y ago
  What if you were told that I've worked for those ad companies, I know all the tricks they use, and I know extremely well how they target me - and I'm still not worried about buying a "smart" TV and using it while not connecting it to the internet.
  - rglullis 2y ago
    > I've worked for those ad companies Well, then I definitely don't trust your moral compass and this whole discussion is pointless.
    - leptons 2y ago
      I quit on moral grounds, so you really don't have the moral high ground here, as much as you'd like to think you do. Once I realized what was going on there I found another job and left them immediately, my employment there lasted all of 3 months. So I know what they do, how they do it, but I don't condone it and never did. In many ways I'm better off for having been on the inside for a brief period of time, learning about what they do and how they do it, so I can avoid it. I'll still continue to use my cheap unconnected "smart" TV knowing full-well why it was created, what it is capable of, and how I've bypassed all of that by simply not plugging it in to the internet.
      - rglullis 2y ago
        The point that you are missing is that this is not just about what you can do, but how the system as a whole is rigged. The fact that you know how the sausage is made and yet you are not actively working to dismantle it would be a strong sign of apathy, but when you come boasting about how you are for "getting a nice TV for cheap" just turns the whole thing into complete moral bankruptcy. You are not sticking to the man. You are just a rounding error to them, when you could full well be part of an alternative that puts human decency above petty savings.
        leptons 2y ago
        >The fact that you know how the sausage is made and yet you are not actively working to dismantle it would be a strong sign of apathy, So you think it's my responsibility to take on Google and every other mega corporation? You're huffing your own farts. What have you done to "dismantle" the ad companies? Nothing? Got it. >but when you come boasting about how you are for "getting a nice TV for cheap" just turns the whole thing into complete moral bankruptcy. Let those without sin cast the first stone. It seems you're throwing a lot of stones, but I doubt your own moral fortitude. You've not said one thing about anything that you have done to "dismantle" these companies you seem to fear so much. Put up or shut up. >You are not sticking to the man. You are just a rounding error to them, when you could full well be part of an alternative that puts human decency above petty savings. I don't really care what you think, you're so full of hate that you can't understand what's going on at all. I got a cheap TV, subsidised by ad companies, and I didn't let them do what they wanted to do to recoup that cost. If you don't think that is at least a little bit of "sticking it to the man" then you're just deluded and cranky and an typical internet troll.