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I am sure it's more benign than that, although of course exploiting foreign labor is an issue. South Korea has problems but it is a liberal democracy whose econ

I am sure it's more benign than that, although of course exploiting foreign labor is an issue. South Korea has problems but it is a liberal democracy whose economy does not depend on cheap manual labor like the UAE; if large numbers of foreign workers were being killed on the job, a Korean citizen or rights group would blow the whistle. I believe South Korea (like most industrialized countries) does not offer single-payer health insurance to most foreigners, who either have to purchase it themselves or go without. It seems likely that a large number of foreign residents get sick and never go to a doctor. Without a medical history it's not easy to determine a cause of natural death in an older sick person, even with a good autopsy.

sudosysgen 2y ago
Most industrialized countries do offer single payer healthcare to taxpaying foreigners, perhaps after a reasonable period of time.
- aithrowawaycomm 2y ago
  No, they offer single-payer healthcare to legal permanent residents. There is a significant gap with temporary residents, including people shuffling back and forth on work visas which might get shadily overextended with under-the-table work, or undocumented immigrants (no reason to use a dishonest and inflammatory term like “taxpaying foreigners” when you mean “legal residents,” paying taxes is not the issue).
  - sudosysgen 2y ago
    In most of the industrialized world you can't pay taxes if you're not there legally. And there is no need to be a permanent resident for single payer healthcare in most countries, just to be there working legally for some time. I wrote "taxpaying foreigner" as opposed to "permanent resident" because most industrialized countries do indeed offer their healthcare to non-permanent residents on work visas. For example in Ontario after 90 days you have access to single payer healthcare. In France you get it after 3 months, in Spain after 2-6 months depending on the locality, etc...
  - red-iron-pine 2y ago
    > No, they offer single-payer healthcare to legal residents Don't always need to be permanent. 2 year work visas will often get you covered, caveated with the idea that you're working a job and paying taxes. many educational visas also cover this, depending on where you're going and where you're from. e.g. Most Europeans in Australia on valid visas have coverage due to reciprocal agreements

sudosysgen 2y ago

Most industrialized countries do offer single payer healthcare to taxpaying foreigners, perhaps after a reasonable period of time.

aithrowawaycomm 2y ago
No, they offer single-payer healthcare to legal permanent residents. There is a significant gap with temporary residents, including people shuffling back and forth on work visas which might get shadily overextended with under-the-table work, or undocumented immigrants (no reason to use a dishonest and inflammatory term like “taxpaying foreigners” when you mean “legal residents,” paying taxes is not the issue).
- sudosysgen 2y ago
  In most of the industrialized world you can't pay taxes if you're not there legally. And there is no need to be a permanent resident for single payer healthcare in most countries, just to be there working legally for some time. I wrote "taxpaying foreigner" as opposed to "permanent resident" because most industrialized countries do indeed offer their healthcare to non-permanent residents on work visas. For example in Ontario after 90 days you have access to single payer healthcare. In France you get it after 3 months, in Spain after 2-6 months depending on the locality, etc...
- red-iron-pine 2y ago
  > No, they offer single-payer healthcare to legal residents Don't always need to be permanent. 2 year work visas will often get you covered, caveated with the idea that you're working a job and paying taxes. many educational visas also cover this, depending on where you're going and where you're from. e.g. Most Europeans in Australia on valid visas have coverage due to reciprocal agreements