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I like it, but this could do with being just the slightest bit more specific: > Don't break the law, don't post illegal shit, don't be an asshole. The law in

by derefr 2y ago

I like it, but this could do with being just the slightest bit more specific: > Don't break the law, don't post illegal shit, don't be an asshole. The law in which country? All countries? Do I have to avoid uploading depictions of Mohammed, or insulting statements about the president of Turkiye?

userbinator 2y ago
When someone assumes you know what English-speaking country they're referring to, it is likely to be the US.
- defrost 2y ago
  'ken oath mate, whenever I see people typing the queens I always reckon they're one of US.
- blooalien 2y ago
  > userbinator: "When someone assumes you know what English-speaking country they're referring to, it is likely to be the US." I normally take a bit of a "dim" view of generalizing certain behaviors to an entire nation's population, but this one's spot-on for certain, and I say this as an English speaking U.S.-born citizen that's lived here all my life, and pretty much grew up "online" (had Internet access since the early days, and even before that I was on local and "long-distance" BBSs quite frequently). When this specific sort of assumption is made online or in writing / speech, it's almost always "The U.S." Totally too many folks here have a "weird world" inside their mind where there is only "here" and "everywhere else", and "everywhere else" only really matters at all if it somehow "infringes" upon the personal-space of their social-media mandated "rage button".
  - ttyprintk 2y ago
    This is unrelated to website content like social media. The legal jurisdiction of where you choose to host is relevant, not the relationship between user-agent locale and politeness.
Wowfunhappy 2y ago
I would assume it means "the law in whatever country you're in." By definition, I can't break the North Korean law against criticizing their leader, it doesn't apply to me.
- derefr 2y ago
  Remember that extradition treaties exist. Kim Dotcom, founder of Megaupload, is a New Zealand citizen who has never lived in the United States, who was nevertheless pursued by the United States for breaking US copyright law (through acts that were — as far as any lawyer has been able to ascertain — not illegal according to NZ law!) According to the NZ supreme court, Dotcom can (will?) be extradited to the US to face those charges. In effect, in a world where extradition treaties exist, the law you're subject to is the sum of the laws of all the countries your country has agreed to mutual extradition with. (And strangely enough, I believe this is even transitive. Presuming countries {A,B,C} which have extradition treaties AB and BC, if country B can get you extradited from country A for crime 1, then country C can get you double-extradited during your detainment in country B for crime 2 — even though country A may have never signed any treaties with country C!) But even ignoring extradition... when speaking of international diplomatic relations, the law-in-practice of "whatever country you're in" is often not the law-as-written, but rather "whatever it takes to make a foreign country happy." I.e. if a foreign country wants you punished — and your own country isn't so powerful as to be able to just tune them out — then often you will be slapped with whatever local law your own country can make fit, to get the other country to calm down. I brought up the president of Turkiye for a specific reason: the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%B6hmermann_affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%B6hmermann_affair , where a German who wrote an insulting poem about Erdoğan, was charged with a [rarely used, archaic] crime by the German government, after the Turkish government basically sent a strongly-worded letter to the German government implying that their relations would be damaged unless they "did something." (Though, pleasantly, after much outcry from the German populace, the law they used to try to punish Böhmermann was challenged and repealed: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/01/25/511611581/germany-is-scrapping-law-that-bans-insulting-foreign-leaders https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/01/25/511611581...)
egeozcan 2y ago
President of Turkiye? Many years ago, a person I know got arrested for calling that guy "clueless" on Twitter under a nickname. Disclaimer: Erdogan is the ultimate ruler, he's totally the best. That guy I know totally deserved it!!11 ps. I like my vacations in south Turkey.

by derefr 2y ago

userbinator 2y ago

When someone assumes you know what English-speaking country they're referring to, it is likely to be the US.

defrost 2y ago
'ken oath mate, whenever I see people typing the queens I always reckon they're one of US.
blooalien 2y ago
> userbinator: "When someone assumes you know what English-speaking country they're referring to, it is likely to be the US." I normally take a bit of a "dim" view of generalizing certain behaviors to an entire nation's population, but this one's spot-on for certain, and I say this as an English speaking U.S.-born citizen that's lived here all my life, and pretty much grew up "online" (had Internet access since the early days, and even before that I was on local and "long-distance" BBSs quite frequently). When this specific sort of assumption is made online or in writing / speech, it's almost always "The U.S." Totally too many folks here have a "weird world" inside their mind where there is only "here" and "everywhere else", and "everywhere else" only really matters at all if it somehow "infringes" upon the personal-space of their social-media mandated "rage button".
- ttyprintk 2y ago
  This is unrelated to website content like social media. The legal jurisdiction of where you choose to host is relevant, not the relationship between user-agent locale and politeness.

Wowfunhappy 2y ago

I would assume it means "the law in whatever country you're in." By definition, I can't break the North Korean law against criticizing their leader, it doesn't apply to me.

derefr 2y ago
Remember that extradition treaties exist. Kim Dotcom, founder of Megaupload, is a New Zealand citizen who has never lived in the United States, who was nevertheless pursued by the United States for breaking US copyright law (through acts that were — as far as any lawyer has been able to ascertain — not illegal according to NZ law!) According to the NZ supreme court, Dotcom can (will?) be extradited to the US to face those charges. In effect, in a world where extradition treaties exist, the law you're subject to is the sum of the laws of all the countries your country has agreed to mutual extradition with. (And strangely enough, I believe this is even transitive. Presuming countries {A,B,C} which have extradition treaties AB and BC, if country B can get you extradited from country A for crime 1, then country C can get you double-extradited during your detainment in country B for crime 2 — even though country A may have never signed any treaties with country C!) But even ignoring extradition... when speaking of international diplomatic relations, the law-in-practice of "whatever country you're in" is often not the law-as-written, but rather "whatever it takes to make a foreign country happy." I.e. if a foreign country wants you punished — and your own country isn't so powerful as to be able to just tune them out — then often you will be slapped with whatever local law your own country can make fit, to get the other country to calm down. I brought up the president of Turkiye for a specific reason: the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%B6hmermann_affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%B6hmermann_affair , where a German who wrote an insulting poem about Erdoğan, was charged with a [rarely used, archaic] crime by the German government, after the Turkish government basically sent a strongly-worded letter to the German government implying that their relations would be damaged unless they "did something." (Though, pleasantly, after much outcry from the German populace, the law they used to try to punish Böhmermann was challenged and repealed: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/01/25/511611581/germany-is-scrapping-law-that-bans-insulting-foreign-leaders https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/01/25/511611581...)

egeozcan 2y ago

President of Turkiye? Many years ago, a person I know got arrested for calling that guy "clueless" on Twitter under a nickname. Disclaimer: Erdogan is the ultimate ruler, he's totally the best. That guy I know totally deserved it!!11 ps. I like my vacations in south Turkey.