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Still I am very happy to use every day the technology designed in early 70s by Ken Thompson and colleagues, so far in that specific field many tried to invent s

by kunley 2y ago

Still I am very happy to use every day the technology designed in early 70s by Ken Thompson and colleagues, so far in that specific field many tried to invent something more "modern" and "better" and failed, with an exception of a certain Finnish clone of that tech, also started in 80s by the way. So, newer not always means better, just saying

nine_k 2y ago
Speaking of which, if you try an actual System V in an emulator, or look at C code in K&R style, certain progress, as in "much more actually usable", can be noticed. While persisting key architectural ideas certainly has benefits, so does evolving their implementations.
- kunley 2y ago
  Yes I agree that implementations must evolve. Still, there are cases where old architectures are just brilliant. Having said that, I need to add, I am not an expert to say MVCC is good enough to be considered equally good like other write-concurrency mechanism in SQL databases. My example was given to just have a caution when judging, especially that the original counterexample had mentioned notoriously bad architectures (hello, MySQL...)
throwawayie6 2y ago
> exception of a certain Finnish clone of that tech Are you referring to C++? That was actually created by a Danish guy, who was also inspired by the object oriented Simula language created in the 60s
- nneonneo 2y ago
  Pretty sure the OP was referring to UNIX and its “Finnish clone” Linux.
gregw2 2y ago
Err, Linux is a child of the 90s... Linus began work on it in April 1991: https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.minix/c/dlNtH7RRrGA/m/_RlNkTuHGJ0J https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.minix/c/dlNtH7RRrGA/m/_R...
- kunley 2y ago
  I was under impression that he started around 1989 and also that's when he had a debate with prof. Tanenbaum, but now I see it was later. My mistake
- kunley 2y ago
  Btw, hard not to love the line "it's just a hobby, won't be big" from original announcement of Linus... Be careful what you promise ;)

by kunley 2y ago

nine_k 2y ago

Speaking of which, if you try an actual System V in an emulator, or look at C code in K&R style, certain progress, as in "much more actually usable", can be noticed. While persisting key architectural ideas certainly has benefits, so does evolving their implementations.

kunley 2y ago
Yes I agree that implementations must evolve. Still, there are cases where old architectures are just brilliant. Having said that, I need to add, I am not an expert to say MVCC is good enough to be considered equally good like other write-concurrency mechanism in SQL databases. My example was given to just have a caution when judging, especially that the original counterexample had mentioned notoriously bad architectures (hello, MySQL...)

throwawayie6 2y ago

> exception of a certain Finnish clone of that tech Are you referring to C++? That was actually created by a Danish guy, who was also inspired by the object oriented Simula language created in the 60s

nneonneo 2y ago
Pretty sure the OP was referring to UNIX and its “Finnish clone” Linux.

gregw2 2y ago

Err, Linux is a child of the 90s... Linus began work on it in April 1991: https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.minix/c/dlNtH7RRrGA/m/_RlNkTuHGJ0J https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.minix/c/dlNtH7RRrGA/m/_R...

kunley 2y ago
I was under impression that he started around 1989 and also that's when he had a debate with prof. Tanenbaum, but now I see it was later. My mistake
kunley 2y ago
Btw, hard not to love the line "it's just a hobby, won't be big" from original announcement of Linus... Be careful what you promise ;)