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I bought the machine and OS. If I remove something, it should be gone. It's obviously bad UX and you're arguing against the consumer here. I don't even have a

I bought the machine and OS. If I remove something, it should be gone. It's obviously bad UX and you're arguing against the consumer here. I don't even have a Microsoft account. It's possible I dismissed a dialog that nagged me and this caused my directory structure to change. Thanks for the tip on UAC prompt, I'll try rearranging things to fix it. When compared to OSX, Windows seems so anti-user. I mean this with regard to trying to sell the user everything and not respecting the user's actions.

magicalhippo 2y ago
> I bought the machine and OS. If I remove something, it should be gone. I worked support during the Windows 95-98 days, we had multiple cases of people "just cleaning up" and had managed to delete a significant amount of their Windows folder, to the point Windows no longer booted. Internet Explorer was considered an OS component, hence why it really shouldn't be removed. I'll grant you Edge though. > Windows seems so anti-user Windows is a product with a long history. I will agree that in recent times it has changed to the worse, and with a less clear idea of who or what it's for. With Windows Home making you jump through hoops to install non-Windows Store applications, it seems home computers will turn into fully walled gardens like Xbox for gaming and tablets for consumption and light creation. That future is certainly anti-power user, though most users just want stuff to work, they don't care about removing IE or modifying background images etc. Windows as it used to be might survive in the corporate environment, where people still need to run 30+ year old software.
- whoitwas 2y ago
  You think people don't want to change their desktop background? Windows serves MSFT and kinda like does something that resembles an OS.
  - magicalhippo 2y ago
    Sure I do. That does not involve anything like what you said though. It involves a couple of simple clicks and you got your background of choice: Start -> Themes -> Background -> Browse -> Success. Given your description I assumed you meant modifying the existing background images, nothing else made sense.
    - whoitwas 2y ago
      I described the process required to use the images Windows provides without going to the MSFT store to give them money. Every part of the OS is an attempt to grab cash. Including hiding images from the user by obfuscating the file name and removing file extensions. And somehow this is not undesirable and I'm wrong.

magicalhippo 2y ago

> I bought the machine and OS. If I remove something, it should be gone. I worked support during the Windows 95-98 days, we had multiple cases of people "just cleaning up" and had managed to delete a significant amount of their Windows folder, to the point Windows no longer booted. Internet Explorer was considered an OS component, hence why it really shouldn't be removed. I'll grant you Edge though. > Windows seems so anti-user Windows is a product with a long history. I will agree that in recent times it has changed to the worse, and with a less clear idea of who or what it's for. With Windows Home making you jump through hoops to install non-Windows Store applications, it seems home computers will turn into fully walled gardens like Xbox for gaming and tablets for consumption and light creation. That future is certainly anti-power user, though most users just want stuff to work, they don't care about removing IE or modifying background images etc. Windows as it used to be might survive in the corporate environment, where people still need to run 30+ year old software.

whoitwas 2y ago
You think people don't want to change their desktop background? Windows serves MSFT and kinda like does something that resembles an OS.
- magicalhippo 2y ago
  Sure I do. That does not involve anything like what you said though. It involves a couple of simple clicks and you got your background of choice: Start -> Themes -> Background -> Browse -> Success. Given your description I assumed you meant modifying the existing background images, nothing else made sense.
  - whoitwas 2y ago
    I described the process required to use the images Windows provides without going to the MSFT store to give them money. Every part of the OS is an attempt to grab cash. Including hiding images from the user by obfuscating the file name and removing file extensions. And somehow this is not undesirable and I'm wrong.