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> NHTSA said it was opening the inquiry after four reports of crashes where FSD was engaged during reduced roadway visibility like sun glare, fog, or airborne d

> NHTSA said it was opening the inquiry after four reports of crashes where FSD was engaged during reduced roadway visibility like sun glare, fog, or airborne dust. A pedestrian was killed in Rimrock, Arizona, in November 2023 after being struck by a 2021 Tesla Model Y, NHTSA said. This is going to be another extremely biased investigation. 1. A 2021 Model Y is not on HW4. 2. FSD in November 2023 is not FSD 12.5, the current version. Any assessment of FSD on such outdated software is not going to be representative of the current experience.

sashank_1509 2y ago
HW4 is a ridiculous requirement, it’s only post 2023 and even then except Model Y, there’s no HW4. FSD in Nov 2023 is not latest but it’s not that old, I guess it’s not in the 12 series which is much better but no need to not investigate this.
- lopkeny12ko 2y ago
  That is literally the entire point. The whole investigation is moot because both the hardware and software are out of date, and no longer used for any current Model Ys off the production line.
ra7 2y ago
The perfect setup. By the time an incident in the “current” software is investigated, it will be outdated. All Tesla has to do is a rev a software version and ignore all incidents that occurred prior to it.
- lopkeny12ko 2y ago
  You are welcome to conjure whatever conspiracy theories you like but the reality is FSD 12.5 is exponentially better than previous versions. Don't just take it from me, this is what all Tesla owners are saying too.
  - ra7 2y ago
    I’m pointing out the absurdity in your comment. There can’t be real time investigations when software is designed to be updated over time. As far FSD 12.5’s supposed exponential improvement, its disengagement rate is still in the low double digits: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/tesla-full-self-driving-requires-human-intervention-every-13-miles/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/tesla-full-self-driving... https://teslafsdtracker.com/ https://teslafsdtracker.com/

sashank_1509 2y ago

HW4 is a ridiculous requirement, it’s only post 2023 and even then except Model Y, there’s no HW4. FSD in Nov 2023 is not latest but it’s not that old, I guess it’s not in the 12 series which is much better but no need to not investigate this.

lopkeny12ko 2y ago
That is literally the entire point. The whole investigation is moot because both the hardware and software are out of date, and no longer used for any current Model Ys off the production line.

ra7 2y ago

The perfect setup. By the time an incident in the “current” software is investigated, it will be outdated. All Tesla has to do is a rev a software version and ignore all incidents that occurred prior to it.

lopkeny12ko 2y ago
You are welcome to conjure whatever conspiracy theories you like but the reality is FSD 12.5 is exponentially better than previous versions. Don't just take it from me, this is what all Tesla owners are saying too.
- ra7 2y ago
  I’m pointing out the absurdity in your comment. There can’t be real time investigations when software is designed to be updated over time. As far FSD 12.5’s supposed exponential improvement, its disengagement rate is still in the low double digits: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/tesla-full-self-driving-requires-human-intervention-every-13-miles/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/tesla-full-self-driving... https://teslafsdtracker.com/ https://teslafsdtracker.com/