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It’s sorta like when I wanted to break into the market as a Linux sysadmin and all the opening positions required 3-5 years of experience. There’s no room to be

It’s sorta like when I wanted to break into the market as a Linux sysadmin and all the opening positions required 3-5 years of experience. There’s no room to be a beginner and no training.

hshshshshsh 2y ago
Stop believing stupid shit. Keep applying.
galleywest200 2y ago
I got my DevOps job with quite a bit less experience than the job posting stated. Granted I was an internal hire, but I still learned the lesson that you miss all the shots you never take. Just apply! The worst thing they do is say no.
PhilipRoman 2y ago
If you have no formal job experience, thats fine - apply anyway and most likely you'll get to the point where you can demonstrate your skills. Government stuff aside, most job requirements are extremely flexible.
candiddevmike 2y ago
The best path for juniors IMO is through consulting companies, they are built to train and level folks up. Folks can then choose when they want off the consulting rollercoaster. Alternatively having a real apprenticeship program developed for tech would be super useful, but we hate it when we try to do real engineer things.
electronbeam 2y ago
Lots of companies need skills they don't know how to ask for. So they advertise for the wrong things. For example a medium size real estate firm probably needs someone to deal with the computers. Its a grind but cold reach out can go far
- mistrial9 2y ago
  this seems like bad example.. a commercial company in the US almost always has Windows.. Windows is a merry-go-round of virus and intrusive, debilitating updates. Professional consultants in every big city exist to do nothing but get paid to babysit Windows. Why spend money on training a junior that may leave, instead of hiring the consultants that know how to babysit Windows? .. Secondly, real estate is close to law and banking, where there is a culture of semi-arbitrary seniority.. juniors do as they are told by their managers or else you are replaced. It is a situation that most adults quickly try to leave, but there are infinite numbers of new semi-desperate people to replace the juniors, as there have been for the last several centuries in those professions. For those two reasons, a real estate office is a bad example of the dynamics of hiring junior (high skill) CS graduates IMHO I agree that companies do a poor job of advertising and screening for skills that they really need. Guessing, it might have to do with HR or worse, bad-intention managers, copying the habits of other hiring practices blindly.
mike_hearn 2y ago
If you're still interested, ignore the requirement. Most Linux sysadmins are self-made and supply is tight enough that nobody will care if you prove you know your stuff. When I was a student I was hanging out in an IRC room for discussion of SELinux, asking questions. One night a Red Hatter PMd me and invited me to apply for a job, which was an exciting thing because I'd never been asked to apply for a job before. But my heart sank because the job ad had a huge list of requirements, so I regretfully informed the guy that I couldn't apply because I did not have enough years of experience. He just laughed and said there were probably five people on the planet who actually met those job requirements and told me to apply anyway. In the end I didn't because I wasn't actually finished with the degree at that time, but the way he treated the job ad as a bit of a joke was definitely a useful life lesson. Job ads are often not written by the people who want to hire, so a lot gets lost in translation.
exe34 2y ago
this reminds me of the guy who couldn't get hired because it was casually difficult to have the experience: https://www.reddit.com/r/dontyouknowwhoiam/comments/t5kcwc/the_creator_isnt_proficient_enough/ https://www.reddit.com/r/dontyouknowwhoiam/comments/t5kcwc/t...

It’s sorta like when I wanted to break into the market as a Linux sysadmin and all the opening positions required 3-5 years of experience. There’s no room to be a beginner and no training.

hshshshshsh 2y ago

Stop believing stupid shit. Keep applying.

galleywest200 2y ago

I got my DevOps job with quite a bit less experience than the job posting stated. Granted I was an internal hire, but I still learned the lesson that you miss all the shots you never take. Just apply! The worst thing they do is say no.

PhilipRoman 2y ago

If you have no formal job experience, thats fine - apply anyway and most likely you'll get to the point where you can demonstrate your skills. Government stuff aside, most job requirements are extremely flexible.

candiddevmike 2y ago

The best path for juniors IMO is through consulting companies, they are built to train and level folks up. Folks can then choose when they want off the consulting rollercoaster. Alternatively having a real apprenticeship program developed for tech would be super useful, but we hate it when we try to do real engineer things.

electronbeam 2y ago

Lots of companies need skills they don't know how to ask for. So they advertise for the wrong things. For example a medium size real estate firm probably needs someone to deal with the computers. Its a grind but cold reach out can go far

mistrial9 2y ago
this seems like bad example.. a commercial company in the US almost always has Windows.. Windows is a merry-go-round of virus and intrusive, debilitating updates. Professional consultants in every big city exist to do nothing but get paid to babysit Windows. Why spend money on training a junior that may leave, instead of hiring the consultants that know how to babysit Windows? .. Secondly, real estate is close to law and banking, where there is a culture of semi-arbitrary seniority.. juniors do as they are told by their managers or else you are replaced. It is a situation that most adults quickly try to leave, but there are infinite numbers of new semi-desperate people to replace the juniors, as there have been for the last several centuries in those professions. For those two reasons, a real estate office is a bad example of the dynamics of hiring junior (high skill) CS graduates IMHO I agree that companies do a poor job of advertising and screening for skills that they really need. Guessing, it might have to do with HR or worse, bad-intention managers, copying the habits of other hiring practices blindly.

mike_hearn 2y ago

If you're still interested, ignore the requirement. Most Linux sysadmins are self-made and supply is tight enough that nobody will care if you prove you know your stuff. When I was a student I was hanging out in an IRC room for discussion of SELinux, asking questions. One night a Red Hatter PMd me and invited me to apply for a job, which was an exciting thing because I'd never been asked to apply for a job before. But my heart sank because the job ad had a huge list of requirements, so I regretfully informed the guy that I couldn't apply because I did not have enough years of experience. He just laughed and said there were probably five people on the planet who actually met those job requirements and told me to apply anyway. In the end I didn't because I wasn't actually finished with the degree at that time, but the way he treated the job ad as a bit of a joke was definitely a useful life lesson. Job ads are often not written by the people who want to hire, so a lot gets lost in translation.

exe34 2y ago

this reminds me of the guy who couldn't get hired because it was casually difficult to have the experience: https://www.reddit.com/r/dontyouknowwhoiam/comments/t5kcwc/the_creator_isnt_proficient_enough/ https://www.reddit.com/r/dontyouknowwhoiam/comments/t5kcwc/t...