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Jules Vernes is a notorious misogynist and racist. Read "The Mysterious Island" for instance. He was a product of his time, but clearly not the best one on thos
by jylam 2y ago
Jules Vernes is a notorious misogynist and racist. Read "The Mysterious Island" for instance. He was a product of his time, but clearly not the best one on those grounds.
Also "People in Europe are white" is really something you just hear from people without any European historical culture, and/or people wanting to sell a racist ideology. You have the whole spectrum of colors in Europe, and that's not recent at all. Africa is 30km from Europe, Asia is connected to it, and people travel since before we were modern humans.
- JetSetWilly 2y agoYou must work in the BBC drama department if you believe that people in Britain, France, Germany etc are not historically and overwhelmingly white.
- thrance 2y agoFactually, whites were a minority in the French Colonial Empire of the 19th century.
- e40 2y agoThe empire was much more than the places mentioned in the comment you’re replying to.
- Apocryphon 2y agoAlgeria was considered an integral département of France, so technically they might be right if that population was substantial enough.
- adrianN 2y agoWas Verne more, or less, misogynist and racist than his contemporaries? I was under the impression that both were common during his day. From the little Verne that I've read, I didn't have the impression that he had a particularly bad opinion of "the savages" he describes in his stories.
- Majestic121 2y ago> "People in Europe are white" is really something you just hear from people without any European historical culture, and/or people wanting to sell a racist ideology There's of course a lot of cross-communication with other continents, from the muslim conquest of the Iberian peninsula to the Ottoman wars in eastern Europe, and the colonizing empires. But the European history is very strongly predominantly white, and pretending otherwise is something you only hear from politically oriented people, unless you try to push ridiculous ideas like 'Italians are not white' as I've seen here and there
- defrost 2y ago> European history is of course very strongly predominantly white "White" ? In the context of the thinking in Europe at the time of Verne .. what is "white"? eg: The Races of Europe: A Sociological Study (1899) - Ripley Ripley classified Europeans into three distinct races: Teutonic [..] Mediterranean [..] Alpine [..] Ripley's tripartite system of race put him at odds both with others on the topic of human difference, including those who insisted that there was only one European race, and those who insisted that there were at least ten European races (such as Joseph Deniker, whom Ripley saw as his chief rival). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Races_of_Europe_(Ripley_book) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Races_of_Europe_(Ripley_bo... > unless you try to push ridiculous ideas like 'Italians are not white' Most people of the time accepted as "obvious" that Italians were not Germanic in race ...
- Majestic121 2y agoYou're talking about the general history of Europe, and the vision in our current culture, why are you trying to push an obsolete taxonomy "of the time" ?
- defrost 2y ago> You're talking about the general history of Europe I'm referencing ideas current in the time of Jules Verne .. > and the vision in our current culture I made no reference to current notions .. > why are you trying to push an obsolete taxonomy "of the time" ? I'm doing no such thing. FWiW I think the ideas cited from 1899 were wrong then and still wrong today. Perhaps you might try reading more carefully?