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But someone slapped that label on it and made a pinky promise that it's true. That person needs to accept liability if things go wrong. If person A is loud and

But someone slapped that label on it and made a pinky promise that it's true. That person needs to accept liability if things go wrong. If person A is loud and clear that something isn't ready, but person B tells the customer otherwise, B is at fault. Look, there are well established procedures in a lot of industries where products are relied on to keep people safe. They all require quite rigorous development and certification processes and sneaking untested alpha quality software through such a process would be actively malicious and quite possibly criminal in and of itself, at least in some industries.

viraptor 2y ago
This is the beginning of the thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41891164 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41891164 You're in violent agreement with me ;)
- latexr 2y ago
  No, the beginning of the thread is earlier. And with that context it seems clear to me that the “you” in the post you linked means “the company”, not “the individual software developer”. No one else in your replies seems confused by that, we all understand self-driving software wasn’t written by a single person that has ultimate decision power within a company.
  - viraptor 2y ago
    If the message said "you release software", or "approve" or "produce", or something like that, sure. But it said "you write software" - and I don't think that can apply to a company, because writing is what individuals do. But yeah, maybe that's not what the author meant.
    - latexr 2y ago
      > and I don't think that can apply to a company, because writing is what individuals do. By that token, no action could ever apply to a company—including approving, producing, or releasing—since it is a legal entity, a concept, not a physical thing. For all those actions there was a person actually doing it in the name of the company. It’s perfectly normal to say, for example, “GenericCorp wrote a press-release about their new product”.

viraptor 2y ago

This is the beginning of the thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41891164 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41891164 You're in violent agreement with me ;)

latexr 2y ago
No, the beginning of the thread is earlier. And with that context it seems clear to me that the “you” in the post you linked means “the company”, not “the individual software developer”. No one else in your replies seems confused by that, we all understand self-driving software wasn’t written by a single person that has ultimate decision power within a company.
- viraptor 2y ago
  If the message said "you release software", or "approve" or "produce", or something like that, sure. But it said "you write software" - and I don't think that can apply to a company, because writing is what individuals do. But yeah, maybe that's not what the author meant.
  - latexr 2y ago
    > and I don't think that can apply to a company, because writing is what individuals do. By that token, no action could ever apply to a company—including approving, producing, or releasing—since it is a legal entity, a concept, not a physical thing. For all those actions there was a person actually doing it in the name of the company. It’s perfectly normal to say, for example, “GenericCorp wrote a press-release about their new product”.